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    ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Forensic tests made public Wednesday show that George Zimmerman's was the only DNA that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to fatally shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The results rule out Martin's DNA from being on the gun's grip. Zimmerman's DNA also was identified on the gun's holster, but no determination could be made as to whether Martin's DNA was on the gun's holster, according to the report from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.


    Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting Martin during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford in February.
    Zimmerman is pleading not guilty, claiming self-defense. A delay in Zimmerman's arrest led to nationwide protests.


    The question of whose DNA is on the gun and holster could play a role in Zimmerman's defense. Zimmerman says Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground and smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist waist before Martin could get it. He shot the teenager once in the chest.

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    Associated Press writers Kyle Hightower in Orlando and Terry Spencer in Miami contributed to this report.








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    There goes a critical piece in Zimmerman's make-believe story.

    If Martin did not grab his gun, then Zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.

    Additonally, Zimmerman's injuries are also in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    There goes a critical piece in Zimmerman's make-believe story.

    If Martin did not grab his gun, then Zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.

    Additonally, Zimmerman's injuries are also in question.
    Yep, that was a big talking point for Zimmerman supporters, that Martin reached for the gun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Yep, that was a big talking point for Zimmerman supporters, that Martin reached for the gun.
    Which he still could have done. Just because he was not successful in pulling the gun, doesn't mean he did not go for it.
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    Which he still could have done. Just because he was not successful in pulling the gun, doesn't mean he did not go for it.

    So Martin used one hand to smash Zimmerman's head into the ground, another hand to smother his mouth and nose and STILL ANOTHER hand reaching for the gun...you do the math.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    So Martin used one hand to smash Zimmerman's head into the ground, another hand to smother his mouth and nose and STILL ANOTHER hand reaching for the gun...you do the math.
    Are you on crack? Where did anyone state he did everything simultaneously? Link us up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    So Martin used one hand to smash Zimmerman's head into the ground, another hand to smother his mouth and nose and STILL ANOTHER hand reaching for the gun...you do the math.
    do you listen to yourself talk? how about he smashes his head, then in a brief moment goes for the gun. Is that such an impossible concept for you to comprehend? or are you really that stupid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    Which he still could have done. Just because he was not successful in pulling the gun, doesn't mean he did not go for it.
    although self evident for people like us, simple sentences like this will still fly over the heads of those that support violent people like trayvon martin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIND View Post
    although self evident for people like us, simple sentences like this will still fly over the heads of those that support violent people like trayvon martin.
    Precisely. They have already determined the evilness and guilt of Zimmerman and nothing will stand in the way of their pre-fact determinations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIND View Post
    although self evident for people like us, simple sentences like this will still fly over the heads of those that support violent people like trayvon martin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    There goes a critical piece in Zimmerman's make-believe story.

    If Martin did not grab his gun, then Zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.

    Additonally, Zimmerman's injuries are also in question.
    Nowhere was it stated that Martin ever gained control of the gun.
    It was only stated that Martin TRIED to gain control of the gun.
    Please explain how this is now a critical piece of the defense and how this means that Martin was murdered in cold blood.

    Unless you really don't care if Zimmerman's innocent or not and just want to rant and rave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    There goes a critical piece in Zimmerman's make-believe story.

    If Martin did not grab his gun, then Zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.

    Additonally, Zimmerman's injuries are also in question.
    as far as I know, zimmerman never said trayvon grabbed his gun.

    he said trayvon went for his gun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIND View Post
    as far as I know, zimmerman never said trayvon grabbed his gun.

    he said trayvon went for his gun.
    Actually, we won't know his inal story till it is reviewed in court, he has changed his story a time or two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIND View Post
    as far as I know, zimmerman never said trayvon grabbed his gun.

    he said trayvon went for his gun.
    Zimmerman's stories change all the time. He didn't say it to cops but he said it to his BFF. Wonder if this means with friends like this, you don't need enemies.

    "Trayvon Martin grabbed his killer’s gun just moments before he died and uttered a profanity-laced threat. In a desperate life-or-death struggle, George Zimmerman clutched Trayvon’s wrist, broke his grip on the semi-automatic firearm and shot him once in the chest. That account appears in a new book written by Zimmerman’s best friend and confidante.

    There’s just one problem: Zimmerman never said that to the police.

    Now the book, Defending Our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America, and author Mark Osterman’s two television interviews have landed on the prosecution evidence list, as more versions of Zimmerman’s story emerge. A man who wrote a book calling Zimmerman “the kindest and most sincere” person will wind up in court — for the prosecution, experts agree.

    “It was emotionally draining for George as he relived that awful moment when he managed to control the gun, then fired out of fear for his life,” Osterman wrote.

    Osterman, U.S. air marshal who lives in a Central Florida, was among the first people Zimmerman’s wife called on Feb. 26 when she learned her husband had just shot someone. Osterman rushed to the scene that night, and accompanied his best friend every step of the way through the investigation, including his first three interrogations by Sanford police.

    Osterman acknowledges that former Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee was his one-time lieutenant in the Seminole County Sheriff’s Department whom he held up as a father figure. Osterman says he was quickly recognized by cops on the scene, but insists he never coached his friend on what to tell them after the death of Trayvon, an unarmed Miami Gardens teenager.

    Afraid for the Zimmermans’ safety, Osterman took the couple in from the very first night of the shooting. His 172-page book describes how Zimmerman told the story of the killing over and over again until he was physically drained. When he told it to police, Osterman said, Zimmerman threw up. But Osterman’s account is a sharp deviation from the versions Zimmerman gave, which experts say will undoubtedly be used to try to impeach the defendant’s credibility and cast doubt on his claim of self-defense if each telling changed or was embellished.

    “I desperately got both of my hands around the guy’s one wrist and took his hand off my mouth long enough for me to shout again for help,” Osterman quotes Zimmerman as saying.

    “For a brief moment I had control of the wrist, but I knew when he felt the sidearm at my waist with his leg. He took his hand that was covering my nose and went for the gun, saying, “You’re gonna die now, motherf-----.’ Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer. I got the gun in my hand, raised it toward the guy’s chest and pulled the trigger.”

    DNA reports released Wednesday showed there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun."



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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Osterman quotes Zimmerman as saying.

    “For a brief moment I had control of the wrist, but I knew when he felt the sidearm at my waist with his leg. He took his hand that was covering my nose and went for the gun, saying, “You’re gonna die now, motherf-----.’ Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer. I got the gun in my hand, raised it toward the guy’s chest and pulled the trigger.”

    DNA reports released Wednesday showed there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun."

    I wonder how much credibility righties would give Osterman if he'd quoted Zimmerman saying something they wanted to believe...

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