blackascoal (09-19-2012), Phantasmal (09-19-2012), signalmankenneth (09-19-2012)
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Forensic tests made public Wednesday show that George Zimmerman's was the only DNA that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to fatally shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The results rule out Martin's DNA from being on the gun's grip. Zimmerman's DNA also was identified on the gun's holster, but no determination could be made as to whether Martin's DNA was on the gun's holster, according to the report from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting Martin during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford in February.
Zimmerman is pleading not guilty, claiming self-defense. A delay in Zimmerman's arrest led to nationwide protests.
The question of whose DNA is on the gun and holster could play a role in Zimmerman's defense. Zimmerman says Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground and smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist waist before Martin could get it. He shot the teenager once in the chest.
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Associated Press writers Kyle Hightower in Orlando and Terry Spencer in Miami contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/tests-only-ide...145033119.html
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blackascoal (09-19-2012), Phantasmal (09-19-2012), signalmankenneth (09-19-2012)
There goes a critical piece in Zimmerman's make-believe story.
If Martin did not grab his gun, then Zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.
Additonally, Zimmerman's injuries are also in question.
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Phantasmal (09-19-2012)
BAC... how does this blow a hole in his story?
According to the above, Zimmerman stated that it was he that pulled the gun from the holster. The tests were inconclusive as to DNA on the holster for Martin. Plus, the DNA said that Martin's DNA was not on the grip. If Martin was on top, the most likely place to grab the gun would be near the trigger or barrel... not the grip. (Unless the gun was at a weird angle).
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
BRUTALITOPS (09-20-2012), NOVA (09-21-2012)
They should drop the charges against Zimmerman. The damage is already done
NOVA (09-21-2012)
NOVA (09-21-2012)
Phantasmal (09-19-2012), Rune (09-20-2012)
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
NOVA (09-21-2012)
Rune (09-20-2012)
Nowhere was it stated that Martin ever gained control of the gun.
It was only stated that Martin TRIED to gain control of the gun.
Please explain how this is now a critical piece of the defense and how this means that Martin was murdered in cold blood.
Unless you really don't care if Zimmerman's innocent or not and just want to rant and rave.
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Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
And you know that for a fact because??
Sad how your excuses become even more convoluted...
It's truly sad to watch you twist and contort your explanation to conform to facts as they become public.
Facts which continue to support the assertion that Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood.
But by all means continue to let your inability to even accept the possibility that Zimmerman is guilty shine for all to see.
LOL... you are the one assuming otherwise. Where are your facts Zappa?
IronySad how your excuses become even more convoluted...
More IronyIt's truly sad to watch you twist and contort your explanation to conform to facts as they become public.
speaking of the above... thanks for proving my point...Facts which continue to support the assertion that Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood.
This goes to show that you yet again are spouting off without any knowledge of what my actual position is on this case. I have stated from the beginning that I think he is guilty. I do not think they are going to be able to get 2nd degree murder charges to stick. The DA over shot and I think he will walk as a result. Manslaughter would have been better suited in my opinion. That said, when someone states something that is incorrect regarding the case, I will correct them.But by all means continue to let your inability to even accept the possibility that Zimmerman is guilty shine for all to see.
Many seem to think this pokes a hole in Zimmermans case. It does not. For the reasons I listed that none of you have refuted.
your ASSUMPTION that Zimmerman meant all of the things happened simultaneously is just that... an ASSUMPTION... one that is based on your desire to find guilt.
You don't care for the actual truth or facts of the case. That is your problem.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Right here...
Zimmerman says Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground AND smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist waist before Martin could get it.
NOT that Martin was "slamming his head into the ground THEN smothering his mouth and nose with his hand..."
NOT that Martin was "slamming his head into the ground BEFORE smothering his mouth and nose with his hand..."
NOT that Martin was "slamming his head into the ground AFTER smothering his mouth and nose with his hand..."
But that Martin was "slamming his head into the ground AND smothering his mouth and nose with his hand..."
AND...the indicator that the events occurred simultaneously.
You don't like assumptions?
That's odd..
There's YOU making a big ol ASSumption...don't you care about the truth or facts of the case?
Your double standard is your problem.
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