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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    I was talking about pagentry (sp?) in general. Not Miss America or Miss Universe specifically. (If I'm not mistaken you actually get a real job and/or a substantial scholarship which can lead to empowerment - I'm fine with those)

    I think it sends the wrong message to little girls. They should be focused on developing skills and getting an education, not trying to "look" better than other girls. Women will grow up naturally to be very self aware of their bodies and will undoubtedly start to compare themselves to others as they get older. Why rush it? Secondly, most of these 'contests' objectify the girls. Putting them in tons of make-up to make them look "cute" or "alluring" just creeps me out big time. If its a talent show fine: judge the talent or their abilities to do something meaningful or skillfull. Beauty pagents are another story and for me are throw back to when women didn't have a voice, rights or a vote and were viewed as merely pretty silent accessories to men. Instilling that in little girls is a slap in the face to the women's movement in my opinion.

    Well said Tiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    I was talking about pagentry (sp?) in general. Not Miss America or Miss Universe specifically. (If I'm not mistaken you actually get a real job and/or a substantial scholarship which can lead to empowerment - I'm fine with those)

    I think it sends the wrong message to little girls. They should be focused on developing skills and getting an education, not trying to "look" better than other girls. Women will grow up naturally to be very self aware of their bodies and will undoubtedly start to compare themselves to others as they get older. Why rush it? Secondly, most of these 'contests' objectify the girls. Putting them in tons of make-up to make them look "cute" or "alluring" just creeps me out big time. If its a talent show fine: judge the talent or their abilities to do something meaningful or skillfull. Beauty pagents are another story and for me are throw back to when women didn't have a voice, rights or a vote and were viewed as merely pretty silent accessories to men. Instilling that in little girls is a slap in the face to the women's movement in my opinion.
    I agree, and the younger the girls in the pageant, the more depressing the whole thing is. Frankly, I wish there was a way to make them illegal for anyone under 18. The parents of that poor little girl in Colorado, the Ramseys or whatever? No one deserves what they've gone through but day-um . . . .
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    mind ya just my opinion...not assingning blame to anyone...but I see 'juvenile pagents' as Soft Child Porn..the parents should be ashamed...for the older gals they know what it is all about and go the route for the fame and money...end of story!

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    Well, BB, it does sound like you are laying blame on the parents. They are the ones that subject their daughters to that type of objectification. Not that I have a problem with you laying blame, I'm just saying....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    I was talking about pagentry (sp?) in general. Not Miss America or Miss Universe specifically. (If I'm not mistaken you actually get a real job and/or a substantial scholarship which can lead to empowerment - I'm fine with those)

    I think it sends the wrong message to little girls. They should be focused on developing skills and getting an education, not trying to "look" better than other girls. Women will grow up naturally to be very self aware of their bodies and will undoubtedly start to compare themselves to others as they get older. Why rush it? Secondly, most of these 'contests' objectify the girls. Putting them in tons of make-up to make them look "cute" or "alluring" just creeps me out big time. If its a talent show fine: judge the talent or their abilities to do something meaningful or skillfull. Beauty pagents are another story and for me are throw back to when women didn't have a voice, rights or a vote and were viewed as merely pretty silent accessories to men. Instilling that in little girls is a slap in the face to the women's movement in my opinion.

    Wouldn't Miss World or Miss Universe send the wrong message out too then in your opinion?

    I don't think these type of things objectify the girls. . . not any more than bodybuilding competitions objectify men, at least. I see using one's beauty for one's benefit as a sort of skill, just as I would see using one's obscene huge muscles to win a body building tournament as a sort of skill - and I's say both require hard work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.14 View Post
    Wouldn't Miss World or Miss Universe send the wrong message out too then in your opinion?

    I don't think these type of things objectify the girls. . . not any more than bodybuilding competitions objectify men, at least. I see using one's beauty for one's benefit as a sort of skill, just as I would see using one's obscene huge muscles to win a body building tournament as a sort of skill - and I's say both require hard work!

    Hey, if you can benefit out of it, or make money from it, go for it is what I say. . .
    As you pointed out earlier Miss World and Universe are for adults. My only issue is when children are involved in them. In an ideal world, an adult has been reared as a child to make good decisions and understand his or her self worth goes beyond whats on the outside. Armed with this knowledge if they make the decision to enter a beauty contest, a wet T-shirt contest, or whatever I could care less. I just hate it that a child's self worth and foundations are built on something so frivolous and superficial.

    As for body building contests, they have them for men and women. So in some respects the playing field is level. Each gender is based on their muscular build and definition that they obviously have to work at. Beauty contests are different - which is essentially what they are. I've yet to see a Mr. Universe competition on network TV. OH and I've heard the claim that Miss America, Miss [enter random state], etc aren't beauty contests, but has anyone that's fat and conventionally uattractive ever won?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    Well, BB, it does sound like you are laying blame on the parents. They are the ones that subject their daughters to that type of objectification. Not that I have a problem with you laying blame, I'm just saying....


    however I was giving the benefit of the doubt to those naive parents who had no idea of what they were getting into!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    As you pointed out earlier Miss World and Universe are for adults. My only issue is when children are involved in them. In an ideal world, an adult has been reared as a child to make good decisions and understand his or her self worth goes beyond whats on the outside. Armed with this knowledge if they make the decision to enter a beauty contest, a wet T-shirt contest, or whatever I could care less. I just hate it that a child's self worth and foundations are built on something so frivolous and superficial.
    Hmm. . . You bring up a good point there. Of course, I'm not sure if a girl of 18 is any more of an adult (in the practical sense, not legal) than a girl of 17, but I agree with your statement, though. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyT View Post
    As for body building contests, they have them for men and women. So in some respects the playing field is level. Each gender is based on their muscular build and definition that they obviously have to work at. Beauty contests are different - which is essentially what they are. I've yet to see a Mr. Universe competition on network TV. OH and I've heard the claim that Miss America, Miss [enter random state], etc aren't beauty contests, but has anyone that's fat and conventionally uattractive ever won?
    Yes - but the question here wasn't if the playing fields were level or not. ;-)

    No, someone whose fat hasn't ever won Ms Universe, or Ms. America, but to be honest, someone whose fat should do everything in his/her power to not remain fat. . . This may sound harsh, but there isn't much point in sugarcoating the hard fact here. :-)
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