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    "In the end, after he has felt the full force of our justice system, what will be remembered are the good people who were impacted by this tragedy," President Obama said this week in Aurora, Colo., after the shootings.

    That's probably not true.

    From Charles Whitman up to the present day, the collective American memory preserves the name of the killer . . . the lone psycho, the shadow hero. We're far too fascinated with violence not to mythologize its perpetrators. And just as we all know (because the media tell us) that there will be a "next war," we know, oh God, in the deep churnings of the heart, that there will be more murder victims - schoolchildren, college students, shoppers, churchgoers, theatergoers, bystanders. We know because we live in a culture that tolerates and perpetuates violence.

    James Holmes may have been a "loner," but, like his predecessors, he acted in a complex American context. He wasn't alone at all.

    The U.S. is far more violent than other developed countries, for reasons seldom addressed or even looked at in anything like a holistic way. The root of the matter, as I see it, is our false distinction between "good violence" and "bad violence." We don't address the issue systemically because of our social investment in "good violence" and the enormous payoff it delivers to some. But good violence - the authorized, glorified, "necessary" kind - inevitably morphs into bad violence from time to time, and thus we are delivered jolts of headline-grabbing horror on a regular basis.

    The factors that make up our culture of violence include, but are hardly limited to, the following:

    A. The easy availability of guns, including semiautomatic weapons, ammunition and other paraphernalia. Holmes, for instance, not only purchased some 6,000 rounds of ammo on the Internet but "a high-capacity ‘drum magazine' large enough to hold 100 rounds and capable of firing 50 or 60 rounds per minute - a purchase that would have been restricted under proposed legislation that has been stalled in Washington for more than a year," according to the New York Times.

    A culture of fear and the popular association of guns with personal empowerment guarantee that simply stanching the availability of high-capacity killing equipment to angry loners slipping into mental illness isn't likely anytime soon. Indeed, we're going the wrong direction. The AR-15 semiautomatic rifle Holmes used had been illegal under the federal ban on assault weapons that Congress allowed to expire in 2004. One unaddressed question: To what extent does easy access to military weaponry inspire lost souls even to consider mass murder as their ticket to glory and public attention?

    B. The media -entertainment and news - feed the popularity of "good violence." Violence is the driving plot device for thousands of forgettable, special-effects-permeated flicks. Its opposite is wimpiness. Movie and TV violence is abstract and consequence-free: the quickest way to solve a problem, find love, attain manhood, do good. America's Army, the violent but bloodless video game maintained by the U.S. Army, sucks in 13-year-olds. Violence occupies the American consciousness. "Why are we violent but not illiterate?" asked journalist Colman McCarthy. The answer: We're taught to read.

    As our newspapers collapse and TV culture permeates American households, the distinction between news and entertainment continues to blur. Peace and nonviolence are far too complex to grab readers' and viewers' attention. Violence sells. Violence advertises. Give us a war, any war, and the media will line up behind it, at least until it starts to go bad. "I guess I was part of the groupthink," Bob Woodward lamented several years into the Iraq war, when the Washington Post examined its failure to be the least bit critical of the disaster initially. A serious part of the defense budget is public relations; it's always money well spent.

    C. Violence drives government policy. We're now engaged in an endless, Orwellian war against dark-skinned, foreign evil. The "Washington consensus" is the same thing as the military-industrial complex. We torture, we carpet-bomb. We've wrecked two countries, killed civilians by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. We assassinate by drone and keep our civilian kill-count low by regarding all military-age males as combatants (by which measure, seven of Holmes' victims shouldn't count). We're continuing to develop the "next generation" of nuclear weapons.

    Violence also drives domestic policy. Our prison-industrial complex is the largest in the world -and becoming privatized. We have no mercy on the poor. Social spending bears the brunt of "austerity." The police are becoming increasingly militarized. We control through punishment, which seems to be the same thing as revenge (". . .after he has felt the full force of our justice system . . .").

    D. We worship winning and create unity around common enemies. Racism is endemic. We live in a domination culture; competition rules, even in education settings. The default American truism is "survival of the fittest." Everything we do is based on the military model. We go to war against all our problems rather than try to heal them. We think love means weakness. Sonia Sotomayor was mocked as the "empathy nominee" for Supreme Court justice.

    Good violence is the original bait-and-switch. As we mourn the latest to die so unnecessarily, let us vow not to let our grief turn to revenge.

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    A List Of The 10 Most Violent States In America

    http://bossip.com/577136/stop-the-vi...america-43081/

    All of them red states too?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post
    "In the end, after he has felt the full force of our justice system, what will be remembered are the good people who were impacted by this tragedy," President Obama said this week in Aurora, Colo., after the shootings.

    That's probably not true.

    From Charles Whitman up to the present day, the collective American memory preserves the name of the killer . . . the lone psycho, the shadow hero. We're far too fascinated with violence not to mythologize its perpetrators. And just as we all know (because the media tell us) that there will be a "next war," we know, oh God, in the deep churnings of the heart, that there will be more murder victims - schoolchildren, college students, shoppers, churchgoers, theatergoers, bystanders. We know because we live in a culture that tolerates and perpetuates violence.

    James Holmes may have been a "loner," but, like his predecessors, he acted in a complex American context. He wasn't alone at all.

    The U.S. is far more violent than other developed countries, for reasons seldom addressed or even looked at in anything like a holistic way. The root of the matter, as I see it, is our false distinction between "good violence" and "bad violence." We don't address the issue systemically because of our social investment in "good violence" and the enormous payoff it delivers to some. But good violence - the authorized, glorified, "necessary" kind - inevitably morphs into bad violence from time to time, and thus we are delivered jolts of headline-grabbing horror on a regular basis.

    The factors that make up our culture of violence include, but are hardly limited to, the following:

    A. The easy availability of guns, including semiautomatic weapons, ammunition and other paraphernalia. Holmes, for instance, not only purchased some 6,000 rounds of ammo on the Internet but "a high-capacity ‘drum magazine' large enough to hold 100 rounds and capable of firing 50 or 60 rounds per minute - a purchase that would have been restricted under proposed legislation that has been stalled in Washington for more than a year," according to the New York Times.

    A culture of fear and the popular association of guns with personal empowerment guarantee that simply stanching the availability of high-capacity killing equipment to angry loners slipping into mental illness isn't likely anytime soon. Indeed, we're going the wrong direction. The AR-15 semiautomatic rifle Holmes used had been illegal under the federal ban on assault weapons that Congress allowed to expire in 2004. One unaddressed question: To what extent does easy access to military weaponry inspire lost souls even to consider mass murder as their ticket to glory and public attention?

    B. The media -entertainment and news - feed the popularity of "good violence." Violence is the driving plot device for thousands of forgettable, special-effects-permeated flicks. Its opposite is wimpiness. Movie and TV violence is abstract and consequence-free: the quickest way to solve a problem, find love, attain manhood, do good. America's Army, the violent but bloodless video game maintained by the U.S. Army, sucks in 13-year-olds. Violence occupies the American consciousness. "Why are we violent but not illiterate?" asked journalist Colman McCarthy. The answer: We're taught to read.

    As our newspapers collapse and TV culture permeates American households, the distinction between news and entertainment continues to blur. Peace and nonviolence are far too complex to grab readers' and viewers' attention. Violence sells. Violence advertises. Give us a war, any war, and the media will line up behind it, at least until it starts to go bad. "I guess I was part of the groupthink," Bob Woodward lamented several years into the Iraq war, when the Washington Post examined its failure to be the least bit critical of the disaster initially. A serious part of the defense budget is public relations; it's always money well spent.

    C. Violence drives government policy. We're now engaged in an endless, Orwellian war against dark-skinned, foreign evil. The "Washington consensus" is the same thing as the military-industrial complex. We torture, we carpet-bomb. We've wrecked two countries, killed civilians by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. We assassinate by drone and keep our civilian kill-count low by regarding all military-age males as combatants (by which measure, seven of Holmes' victims shouldn't count). We're continuing to develop the "next generation" of nuclear weapons.

    Violence also drives domestic policy. Our prison-industrial complex is the largest in the world -and becoming privatized. We have no mercy on the poor. Social spending bears the brunt of "austerity." The police are becoming increasingly militarized. We control through punishment, which seems to be the same thing as revenge (". . .after he has felt the full force of our justice system . . .").

    D. We worship winning and create unity around common enemies. Racism is endemic. We live in a domination culture; competition rules, even in education settings. The default American truism is "survival of the fittest." Everything we do is based on the military model. We go to war against all our problems rather than try to heal them. We think love means weakness. Sonia Sotomayor was mocked as the "empathy nominee" for Supreme Court justice.

    Good violence is the original bait-and-switch. As we mourn the latest to die so unnecessarily, let us vow not to let our grief turn to revenge.

    BY
    ROBERT C. KOEHLER

    A List Of The 10 Most Violent States In America

    http://bossip.com/577136/stop-the-vi...america-43081/

    All of them red states too?!!
    Problem is that those who really need to read and understand this never will. You'll have to inject it into their

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post
    The U.S. is far more violent than other developed countries, for reasons seldom addressed or even looked at in anything like a holistic way.
    UK and Australia have higher rates of violent crime than the US does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowaicue View Post
    Problem is that those who really need to read and understand this never will. You'll have to inject it into their

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    I don't think as a subject of the UK that you have much room to talk. The US has a higher total crime rate but it's also a much larger nation. The per capita crime rate in the US is about 1 per every 26 persons where as the crime rate in the UK is about 1 per every 9.5 persons. So yes, the US does have a higher murder rate than the UK compared to the rest of the worlds it's still fairly low. Russia has far more stringent gun control laws and far more media censorship than the US does but it's murder rate is more than triple that of the US. When you compare regions North America as a whole has nearly the same muder rate as Europe (4.7/100,000 in NA and 3.5/100,000). Then when you look at other regions, South America and East Europe from example, which have far more stringent gun controls and far more stringent media laws than the US have nearly 5 times and 2 times the murder rate as the US does.

    That would indicate to me that media exposure to violence and easy access to guns are not quite the factors in violence that you seem to think they are and that political, cultural and economic factors have a far greater influence on violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    UK and Australia have higher rates of violent crime than the US does.
    I think you meant Austria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I don't think as a subject of the UK that you have much room to talk. The US has a higher total crime rate but it's also a much larger nation. The per capita crime rate in the US is about 1 per every 26 persons where as the crime rate in the UK is about 1 per every 9.5 persons. So yes, the US does have a higher murder rate than the UK compared to the rest of the worlds it's still fairly low. Russia has far more stringent gun control laws and far more media censorship than the US does but it's murder rate is more than triple that of the US. When you compare regions North America as a whole has nearly the same muder rate as Europe (4.7/100,000 in NA and 3.5/100,000). Then when you look at other regions, South America and East Europe from example, which have far more stringent gun controls and far more stringent media laws than the US have nearly 5 times and 2 times the murder rate as the US does.

    That would indicate to me that media exposure to violence and easy access to guns are not quite the factors in violence that you seem to think they are and that political, cultural and economic factors have a far greater influence on violence.
    Violent attacks in the UK usually end up with both sides alive, if gun ownership was widespread here then I'm sure the murder stats would be much higher. Another point is that, thanks to New Labour, the doors were opened to Eastern European immigration. So in recent years we have had a massive influx of Polish, Czech, Romanian and Bulgarian criminals.
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    In fact, poverty, income inequality, high teen birth rates, high rates of single parent families and lack of education and lack of access to education are all more significant contributors to violence than media exposure and access to guns, (not that those help). Which also explains why in the US our southern States are by far the most violent States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoxomoxoa View Post
    Crime has come down quite substantially in the UK in recent years so I'm not sure if you have the latest stats. Another point, violent attacks in the UK usually end up with both sides alive, if gun ownership was widespread here then I'm sure the murder stats would be much higher.
    My Stats are from 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoxomoxoa View Post
    Crime has come down quite substantially in the UK in recent years so I'm not sure if you have the latest stats. Another point, violent attacks in the UK usually end up with both sides alive, if gun ownership was widespread here then I'm sure the murder stats would be much higher.
    I doubt it would make that much of a difference. You might see a slight increase. There are far more significant factors involved than access to guns and media exposure to violence (again, not that they help).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I doubt it would make that much of a difference. You might see a slight increase. There are far more significant factors involved than access to guns and media exposure to violence (again, not that they help).
    You caught me in the middle of editing that post, it should read.

    Violent attacks in the UK usually end up with both sides alive, if gun ownership was widespread here then I'm sure the murder stats would be much higher. Another point is that, thanks to New Labour, the doors were opened to Eastern European immigration. So in recent years we have had a massive influx of Polish, Czech, Romanian and Bulgarian criminals.
    I should also add that murders in the UK are at their lowest since the 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoxomoxoa View Post
    You caught me in the middle of editing that post, it should read.
    I don't know if I buy that either. In the last dozen years we've seen a significant increase in immigration, both legal and illegal from Mexico which has more than double the homicide rate of Eastern Europe yet in the last 12 years our violent homicide rate has gone down. I don't think immigration is much of a factor at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I don't know if I buy that either. In the last dozen years we've seen a significant increase in immigration, both legal and illegal from Mexico which has more than double the homicide rate of Eastern Europe yet in the last 12 years our violent homicide rate has gone down. I don't think immigration is much of a factor at all.
    The amount of immigration we have experienced has been the highest ever and it has all happened since 2004. Anyway, I already pointed out that murder is at its lowest since the 80s yet crimes like rape, robbery and assaults are higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I think you meant Austria.
    No, I meant Australia. Austria probably has a very low rate of violent crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    UK and Australia have higher rates of violent crime than the US does.
    That's absolutely ridiculous.

    There are more murders in the US EVERY DAY than there is in the UK ANNUALLY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    No, I meant Australia. Austria probably has a very low rate of violent crime.
    It has like the fourth highest in the EU.
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