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    As Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) (LMT)’s chief predicts he may have to fire 10,000 workers under across-the- board federal spending cuts, a familiar voice is warning Republican leaders that U.S. defense readiness is at stake.

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney said at a private meeting with Senate Republicans yesterday that the projected cuts totaling $500 billion could be “devastating” to military modernization and planning, South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham told reporters.

    Cheney, 71, said defense spending is “not a spigot you can turn on and turn off, that you need to keep money flowing in a predictable way so you can plan for the next war,” Graham said after the Senate Republicans’ weekly luncheon. They heard from the former vice president, who was President George H.W. Bush’s defense secretary from 1989 to 1993.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...s-stevens-says

    This is unadulterated horseshit. Republicans are quick to cut social spending (which is necessary), but somehow a "$500 billion" cut to the military budget (which would be implemented over the next decade) is the end of the world. I, for one, am pleased that the military will automatically be cut, because it is the only way it will ever be cut.

    The US has had more than enough bullshit wars for oil. It is time to bring the troops home and return military spending to a sane level.
    "We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power." -O'Brien, Nineteen Eighty-Four

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xielon View Post
    As Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) (LMT)’s chief predicts he may have to fire 10,000 workers under across-the- board federal spending cuts, a familiar voice is warning Republican leaders that U.S. defense readiness is at stake.

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney said at a private meeting with Senate Republicans yesterday that the projected cuts totaling $500 billion could be “devastating” to military modernization and planning, South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham told reporters.

    Cheney, 71, said defense spending is “not a spigot you can turn on and turn off, that you need to keep money flowing in a predictable way so you can plan for the next war,” Graham said after the Senate Republicans’ weekly luncheon. They heard from the former vice president, who was President George H.W. Bush’s defense secretary from 1989 to 1993.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...s-stevens-says

    This is unadulterated horseshit. Republicans are quick to cut social spending (which is necessary), but somehow a "$500 billion" cut to the military budget (which would be implemented over the next decade) is the end of the world.
    Perpetual war isn't just a mindset and a livelihood; it's an ingrained culture. This is nothing new. Defense jobs are sacrosanct while all others are on the chopping block, and that isn't just because of MIC greed - it's the primitive 'superpower' groupthink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijou View Post
    Perpetual war isn't just a mindset and a livelihood; it's an ingrained culture. This is nothing new. Defense jobs are sacrosanct while all others are on the chopping block, and that isn't just because of MIC greed - it's the primitive 'superpower' groupthink.
    What's sad is the Republicans used to be the party of peace. Eisenhower specifically warned us of the dangers of the MIC.
    "We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power." -O'Brien, Nineteen Eighty-Four

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xielon View Post
    What's sad is the Republicans used to be the party of peace. Eisenhower specifically warned us of the dangers of the MIC.
    That ship sailed long ago - so long ago, in fact, that I don't ever remember them being the party of peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijou View Post
    That ship sailed long ago - so long ago, in fact, that I don't ever remember them being the party of peace.
    Unfortunately, neither parties are the party of peace. Both wage bullshit wars that do not affect American interests at all.
    "We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power." -O'Brien, Nineteen Eighty-Four

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xielon View Post
    Unfortunately, neither parties are the party of peace. Both wage bullshit wars that do not affect American interests at all.
    Agreed. It is to ensure the status quo of the plutocracy, which comprises members of both parties.

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    Defense could easily be cut by 30% without affecting the readiness of our military. Like the Dept of Education, far too much money is wasted on admin.
    Quote from Cypress:
    "Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.

    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    so you can plan for the next war,”
    that's a very interesting quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    Defense could easily be cut by 30% without affecting the readiness of our military. Like the Dept of Education, far too much money is wasted on admin.
    Who's making all the money in Defense? The troops? or the private contractors?

    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Owls View Post
    that's a very interesting quote.
    Cheney doesn't even try to hide it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijou View Post
    That ship sailed long ago - so long ago, in fact, that I don't ever remember them being the party of peace.
    yeah...well now they're known as the party of piece of gold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijou View Post
    Perpetual war isn't just a mindset and a livelihood; it's an ingrained culture. This is nothing new. Defense jobs are sacrosanct while all others are on the chopping block, and that isn't just because of MIC greed - it's the primitive 'superpower' groupthink.
    Hey I'm all for a strong national defense but history is replete with examples of what happens to great nations who over extend themselves militarily. It's not good. We can't afford to be the worlds policeman. However Darth Cheney is right. It's not just a spigot you can turn off. Either from a defense preparedeness or an economic point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xielon View Post
    What's sad is the Republicans used to be the party of peace. Eisenhower specifically warned us of the dangers of the MIC.
    Completely irrelevent. Do you think Ike would stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting nominated in today's Republican party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    Defense could easily be cut by 30% without affecting the readiness of our military. Like the Dept of Education, far too much money is wasted on admin.
    You could cut it in half and we would still be spending more than the rest of the world combined does for defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijou View Post
    Who's making all the money in Defense? The troops? or the private contractors?

    Think about it.
    The private contractors employees and what do they do with that money? The spend it and put it into circulation. Think about that.
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