Does freemasonry still hold influence in government?

[wiseones2cents]

I know this is a free mason run site and was wondering. And how do Christians feel about their pagan goddess statues and other pagan symbols in America?

[NOVA]

The square and compass are pagan symbols ?......get a grip, unwiseone.....99% of Masons are Christians...

you need a boogieman, huh.

[Minister of Truth]

No and They Are Sweet.

[wiseones2cents]

The square and compass are pagan symbols ?......get a grip, unwiseone.....99% of Masons are Christians...

you need a boogieman, huh.

No I'm taking about their pagan goddess. The Statue of Liberty. That was fashioned after the Goddess Attis. See the resemblance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St...of_Attis_2.jpg

Then you have their obelisk in Washington DC that is a copy of an Egyptian monument made to the god Ra.

Then you have the statue of freedom that was fashioned after a egyptian peasant but the clothing of Mithras a pagan god that is also known to be female in some cultures.

Then you have the pentagon that is shaped as the star of the devil(The pentagram). It may be illuminati but there is also Luciferian cults among the freemasons.

Can you explain any of these and can they be classified as pagan idols? Especially the statue of liberty?

99% of freemasons are Christian?? I've noticed quite a few Jews, Muslims, Hindus and everything else.

[Minister of Truth]

For most of US history, we have considered ourselves grounded and educated in the classics and classical history. Most Americans have never seen any harm in celebrating Graeco-Roman culture, or of contemporary (to them) cultures such as Egypt, Carthage, and Persia. Especially since much of it pre-dates Christianity.

[wiseones2cents]

For most of US history, we have considered ourselves grounded and educated in the classics and classical history. Most Americans have never seen any harm in celebrating Graeco-Roman culture, or of contemporary (to them) cultures such as Egypt, Carthage, and Persia. Especially since much of it pre-dates Christianity.

Elias? Greek, Jew or both? Do you speak for the Christians also? Do you think they would not see any harm if they knew there were statues of pagan gods on their land?

[Minister of Truth]

Elias? Greek, Jew or both? Do you speak for the Christians also? Do you think they would not see any harm if they knew there were statues of pagan gods on their land?

Definitely Greek. Since Christians saw fit to erect those statues, I think we have our answers there.

[Rune]

Christianity adopted traditions of pagan cultures. This was partialy to ease the transition.

Obelisks are all over the world. There are more in Rome than anywhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obelisks_in_Rome

[Lowaicue]

The question posed was whether or not freemasonry has an influence on government. Strange how that particular question produces waving autumn fields of straw men.

Yes. Freemasonry DOES influence government. It influences government, police, business and more important than all, the judiciary. All you need to do, when faced with a member of any of those organisations is ask the question. Are you a freemason or a member of any other secret organisation? Freemasons are prohibited from denying their membership. They will simply answer indirectly.
You should NEVER accept ANY judge, jury or lawyer who will not state that he is not a member. You should also ask, if a plaintiff or defendant in any case, whether the opposition has affiliations to freemasonry. In most jurisdictions you have a right to apply to be heard by a different court. You must do that.
No freemason will EVER condemn a fellow mason. They say that they act within the law and so they do, but there is a huge difference between acting within the law and and being honest. It's the 'whole truth' they avoid.
Governments all over the world are influenced by freemasonry. Freemasonry in government will always promote the innocence of its members who are very often big business.
The law allows one man to fight another for justice but it does not allow one small man to fight against a large corporation. Freemasons will do anything, literally anything, to prevent an even playing field.

[Minister of Truth]

Because Mason conspiracy bullshit is made up of nothing but strawmen.

[Lowaicue]

Because Mason conspiracy bullshit is made up of nothing but strawmen.

You KNOW you are wrong, don't you. You KNOW.
I also KNOW. Having been closely involved for many years. So please do not lie. As a mason you should simply leave the thread and say nothing.

[Minister of Truth]

I'm a Knight of Columbus, not a Mason.

[wiseones2cents]

Because Mason conspiracy bullshit is made up of nothing but strawmen.

How are they straw man conspiracy? Alphonso Taft set up the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale. As an off shoot to freemasonry. And we know both GWB and John Kerry were members. They were stacking the deck to make sure their man made it in. I would imagine that there are similar societies in all the ivy leagues no? And they have influence all over the world in every government.

[wiseones2cents]

Christianity adopted traditions of pagan cultures. This was partialy to ease the transition.

Obelisks are all over the world. There are more in Rome than anywhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obelisks_in_Rome

Very interesting thanks. I had suspicions that the Vatican is tied to freemasonry(via Medici and the Illuminati that infiltrated the Jesuits.) as are many world religious leaders....

[Rune]

That is nothing. You want to see some crazy shit, check this out. Then the next time someone talks about oligarchy or aristocracy, you will know they are onto something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealo..._United_States

Not only are all the rpresidents related to each other, but they are all decended from the european royal family as well.
Furthermore, most of their wives can also trace their roots back to the european royal family.

If you want to get real serious about it of course, you will find that europes ruling or royal family decends from egyptian pharohs.

Now it is true that if we go back 27 generations, we are all related (yes bravo, even you and black folks have common ancestors),
but in spite of this, if you do the math, you will find that only 1 in 4 presidents should share their family trees.

Is this a coincidence? Far from it. The odds are so astronmicaly opposed to such a circumstance that it cannot be described as coincidence.

The really interesting thing; In any given race for president, the candidate with the highest percentage of royal blood, (nearest in line for the throne)
wins.
Yes, this means that the candidates are in the family too. Kerry, McCain and even Palin are all cousins.

So, how is that democracy thing working out for ya?