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    Default Rough Libertarian Critique of Conservatives

    Unfortunately a lot of truth in what is stated here.


    Reason.com Editor Nick Gillespie writes: "...it's fascinating to me that the conservative movement can't recognize some elemental facts. First and foremost that the world they're trying to create, especially when it comes to intolerance of alternative lifestyles, is never going to happen. And that by insisting, as Sen. James DeMint and Rep. Jim Jordan have, that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative, you're alienating all those independents who just might give the GOP a second chance at running the federal budget...the fiscal con wing was exposed as just that, a total con job. Under Bush and a supposedly conservative Congress, federal outlays jacked up about 60 percent in real terms. Second, defense cons blew it. They had two wars to show themselves as effective, and they screwed the pooch, wagged the dog...whatever. After a good, long ride at the top, they did nothing well. They didn't create a coherent foreign policy that suggests when the U.S. might intervene and when it shouldn't (the Global War on Terrorism is not simply vague, it provides no stopping point for Wilsonian interventionism, which is decidedly not conservative). And third, social cons have lost, period. Gays are not going back in the closet and demands for equal standing under the law are logically coherent from a conservative POV. Gays didn't destroy marriage or the family (neither of which is in ruins, by the way, but that's another issue)."


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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    ... by insisting, as Sen. James DeMint and Rep. Jim Jordan have, that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative, you're alienating all those independents who just might give the GOP a second chance...



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    This insistence that you must be a social conservative in order to be a true conservative is just bullshit.

    I agree that the conservatives are blowing their chances here. Far fewer people are interested in the social conservative agenda than are interested in conservative fiscal policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Unfortunately a lot of truth in what is stated here.


    Reason.com Editor Nick Gillespie writes: "...it's fascinating to me that the conservative movement can't recognize some elemental facts. First and foremost that the world they're trying to create, especially when it comes to intolerance of alternative lifestyles, is never going to happen. And that by insisting, as Sen. James DeMint and Rep. Jim Jordan have, that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative, you're alienating all those independents who just might give the GOP a second chance at running the federal budget...the fiscal con wing was exposed as just that, a total con job. Under Bush and a supposedly conservative Congress, federal outlays jacked up about 60 percent in real terms. Second, defense cons blew it. They had two wars to show themselves as effective, and they screwed the pooch, wagged the dog...whatever. After a good, long ride at the top, they did nothing well. They didn't create a coherent foreign policy that suggests when the U.S. might intervene and when it shouldn't (the Global War on Terrorism is not simply vague, it provides no stopping point for Wilsonian interventionism, which is decidedly not conservative). And third, social cons have lost, period. Gays are not going back in the closet and demands for equal standing under the law are logically coherent from a conservative POV. Gays didn't destroy marriage or the family (neither of which is in ruins, by the way, but that's another issue)."


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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Unfortunately a lot of truth in what is stated here.


    Reason.com Editor Nick Gillespie writes: "...it's fascinating to me that the conservative movement can't recognize some elemental facts. First and foremost that the world they're trying to create, especially when it comes to intolerance of alternative lifestyles, is never going to happen. And that by insisting, as Sen. James DeMint and Rep. Jim Jordan have, that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative, you're alienating all those independents who just might give the GOP a second chance at running the federal budget...the fiscal con wing was exposed as just that, a total con job. Under Bush and a supposedly conservative Congress, federal outlays jacked up about 60 percent in real terms. Second, defense cons blew it. They had two wars to show themselves as effective, and they screwed the pooch, wagged the dog...whatever. After a good, long ride at the top, they did nothing well. They didn't create a coherent foreign policy that suggests when the U.S. might intervene and when it shouldn't (the Global War on Terrorism is not simply vague, it provides no stopping point for Wilsonian interventionism, which is decidedly not conservative). And third, social cons have lost, period. Gays are not going back in the closet and demands for equal standing under the law are logically coherent from a conservative POV. Gays didn't destroy marriage or the family (neither of which is in ruins, by the way, but that's another issue)."


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    I wish I could give about 50 rep points for posting this. Gillespie has flat out nailed it. He has described perfectly how the republican party has proactively alienated people like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterBorn View Post
    This insistence that you must be a social conservative in order to be a true conservative is just bullshit.

    I agree that the conservatives are blowing their chances here. Far fewer people are interested in the social conservative agenda than are interested in conservative fiscal policies.
    The whole idea that you have to be some ideological anything and pass some god damned litmus test to be a Republican at all is total bullshit. All you need is to share are some common values and common goals and a willingness to compromise to achieve those ends. Besides, social conservatism has been and is currently on the wrong side of history. It's why I have never been a social conservative. In today's times social conservatism cannot stand up to the forces of freedom. Individual freedom and liberty will win every time and our own history has shown us that time and time again. It showed it 1783 and again in 1865 and again in 1964 when the forces of social conservatism were utterly rejected by the American people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Unfortunately a lot of truth in what is stated here.


    Reason.com Editor Nick Gillespie writes: "...it's fascinating to me that the conservative movement can't recognize some elemental facts. First and foremost that the world they're trying to create, especially when it comes to intolerance of alternative lifestyles, is never going to happen. And that by insisting, as Sen. James DeMint and Rep. Jim Jordan have, that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative, you're alienating all those independents who just might give the GOP a second chance at running the federal budget...the fiscal con wing was exposed as just that, a total con job. Under Bush and a supposedly conservative Congress, federal outlays jacked up about 60 percent in real terms. Second, defense cons blew it. They had two wars to show themselves as effective, and they screwed the pooch, wagged the dog...whatever. After a good, long ride at the top, they did nothing well. They didn't create a coherent foreign policy that suggests when the U.S. might intervene and when it shouldn't (the Global War on Terrorism is not simply vague, it provides no stopping point for Wilsonian interventionism, which is decidedly not conservative). And third, social cons have lost, period. Gays are not going back in the closet and demands for equal standing under the law are logically coherent from a conservative POV. Gays didn't destroy marriage or the family (neither of which is in ruins, by the way, but that's another issue)."


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    It looks like a couple more posts like that and we'll all be Conservatives here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I wish I could give about 50 rep points for posting this. Gillespie has flat out nailed it. He has described perfectly how the republican party has proactively alienated people like me.
    I think the GOP had better figure this out or they will be in trouble for quite a while.

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    How many are like that?
    Let's not forget, Obama is not for gay marriage or legal pot.
    He's socially conservative without being a blowhard ala Bach to mom about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterBorn View Post
    I think the GOP had better figure this out or they will be in trouble for quite a while.
    I've been saying that since 96.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    How many are like that?
    Let's not forget, Obama is not for gay marriage or legal pot.
    He's socially conservative without being a blowhard ala Bach to mom about it.
    He aint exactly radically opposed to them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apple0154 View Post
    It looks like a couple more posts like that and we'll all be Conservatives here.
    despite your progressive rhetoric, you're a Libertarian deep down inside. So is Mott, though he refuses to quite come out of the closet yet. I think Mr. Gillespie just gave him a little shove though.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterBorn View Post
    This insistence that you must be a social conservative in order to be a true conservative is just bullshit.

    I agree that the conservatives are blowing their chances here. Far fewer people are interested in the social conservative agenda than are interested in conservative fiscal policies.
    And I say let them. Let social conservatives destroy their political power. It will simply make the Libertarian ascension (as is our destiny) that much easier.
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