Reply With QuoteOk, and how would a liberal respond to the article you posted.
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Conservatives...
As I read the replies to the thread about corporate profits being up 200%, and household income being up only 2%, I can't help but think about what conservatism really is.
When you understand what conservatism is, every argument they make leads to the same end.
Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.
When you understand this and view their words, ask the question; will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?
The answer is always YES...
Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Ok, and how would a liberal respond to the article you posted.
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As usual, Bfgrntard starts a debate by using his own definition of terms. Unfortunately for him, only Conservatives get to define what Conservatism means.
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Here's the great thing DY, It will be YOU and not me who will prove my assertion. Because anyone can read what you and other 'conservatives' post and ask that simple question:Originally Posted by Damn Yankee
"Will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?"
And when the answer is YES it will be YOU and not me providing proof...
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Is there an "aristocracy" in the United States ?
Is there an "aristocracy" in China ???
Was there an "aristocracy" in the USSR?
Is there on an "aristocracy" in Russia ?
How about the UK, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc....
Is the "aristocracy" the same as the "elitists"....?
Put blame where it belongs
ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.
rebel
it's meaningless debate when you define the terms for anything, considering you think Hitler was Libertarian.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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ar·is·toc·ra·cy (r
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A hereditary ruling class; nobility.
Government by the citizens deemed to be best qualified to lead.
Is this what the US has had since 2009 ?
Put blame where it belongs
ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.
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TODAY....in 2011......Conservatives can and should be defined a "Constitutionalists"........
..............................democrats can and should be defined as "socialists"
Not as defined 100 years ago or even 50 years ago.....but as defined in todays values....
Put blame where it belongs
ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.
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Funny, you continue to totally misrepresent what I said. The rub is that what I was saying was a reflection of what YOU believe.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
rebel
this is a patently false statement when conservatives endorse the war on marijuana, infringe on gun rights, and ignore the 4th and 5th amendment rights of the accused or suspected.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
rebel
YOU said that if Libertarians believed in absolutely no gun restrictions at all, then THESE people were libertarians and YOU posted a picture of hitler and mussolini. if there is another context to your stupidity, please explain it.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
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Sometimes the truth is funnier than satire...
Study: Conservatives have larger "fear center"
University College London researchers say brains of the right-leaning have big amygdala, small anterior cingulate
Specifically, the research shows that people with conservative tendencies have a larger amygdala and a smaller anterior cingulate than other people. The amygdala -- typically thought of as the "primitive brain" -- is responsible for reflexive impulses, like fear. The anterior cingulate is thought to be responsible for courage and optimism. This one-two punch could be responsible for many of the anecdotal claims that conservatives "think differently" from others.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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You really are retaded.
It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.
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Let's get you straightened out on some things here. First of all, Conservatives don't believe in "aristocracy" they believe in the opposite, "democracy." But you have conveniently redefined "aristocracy" to mean what you need for it to mean, in order to make your invalid point. This is your first mistake. Wikipedia defines "aristocracy" as a form of government in which the "most qualified" rule. Now, what is wrong with that in principle? Shouldn't the most qualified be in charge? Well, the problem is, when all the power is controlled by only the elite few who are "qualified" then democracy fails, the will and voice of the people is silenced. No Conservative I have ever known, is in favor of silencing the will and voice of the people.
The next thing you are in error on, is the delineation between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe in free market capitalism, and they believe this is the best way for the most people to experience prosperity in an open democratic society. Liberals believe in Statism, and they believe the power of government should be used to ensure social justice through social engineering and wealth redistribution. NEO-Conservatives (NEOCONS) believe in global capitalism, and they believe the solution to many of the world's problems of wealth inequity can be solved with implementation of global capitalist measures, however that might be accomplished. NEO-Liberals believe in global statism, modeled after European Marxist Socialism, and they believe this will lead to equity in the world.
The problem with Liberalism and Neo-liberalism, is the principle of statism always fails and collapses. You see, government doesn't produce anything, they don't generate wealth of any kind. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from the producers in society. Now, this works for some small isolated countries to a certain degree, but whenever the principles are applied to large populations, the producers simply become demotivated and despair sets in, then the system totally collapses because there is no longer a source of wealth for the statist government to operate on.
Over 70 years of brainwashing by Communists and Socialist Marxists, has resulted in a large number of our population to be under the delusion that things are free, that our government can take care of our needs with some mythical unlimited pile of money it has at its disposal. The bottom line is, nothing is ever free. Anything our government provides for us, someone has to pay for. Any benefit or service our government offers, has to be funded on the backs of the producers. When unemployment begins to creep up near 10% or more, where are these producers? Well, they are at home drawing 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, further exasperating the problem. This is why statist systems ultimately collapse, and once they begin the slide down, there is no stopping it until we reach the bottom.
Okay... now, modern American liberals, they have been conditioned to believe that what they advocate and promote, is "helping" the little guy... the common man, and what they are fighting and opposing, is the conglomerate, the wealthy aristocrat, the corporate machine. Nothing could be further from the truth, because oppressing capitalism is eventually what will cause economic catastrophe, and all except the very rich, will be fighting over bread crumbs. Liberals are not "helping" the little guy, they are systematically ensuring everyone except the aristocratic elites, will suffer in the end. Conservatives believe in the power of individuals, and through the free market of ideas, and with capitalist initiatives, ANY person has the capacity for prosperity and wealth. It's a simple matter of.... is it "help" to dole out "charity" to someone, or is it "help" to empower them?
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