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    Quote Originally Posted by AnyOldIron View Post
    Freedom to me is the ability to do as one chooses without harming others by our actions.

    This is what is described as 'negative liberty' and is the predominant idea of freedom in the western world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty

    US, you shouldn't put yourself down about such things. I have had many informed discussions with you and by saying leave it to the edumacated, you sell yourself short.
    Thanks for the vote of confidence Anyold, I appreciate it. However I realize although I am intelligent, I am largely uneducated in the skills of communications by written words, and therefore have difficulty expressing myself in a well understood fashion.

    It can be handy to understand ones limitations.

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence Anyold, I appreciate it. However I realize although I am intelligent, I am largely uneducated in the skills of communications by written words, and therefore have difficulty expressing myself in a well understood fashion.

    Then post laconically...lol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic)

    Don't be put off by terminology, if you need definitions or further explanations of notions, just U2U me...
    Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.

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    The positive v negative freedom is an interesting frame up, but I've got something simpler.

    Immoral things are things that go undone REGARDLESS OF HOW PROFITABLE THEY ARE. Duh.

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    Immoral things are things that go undone REGARDLESS OF HOW PROFITABLE THEY ARE. Duh.

    What things that go undone? The things that go undone are uncountable in number. If they are done does that then make them moral?
    Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.

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    Undone things ? well that covers most everything in the universe for me, I have only done a minute amount of things comparatively speaking.

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    ok. Correction for the mush heads.

    Immoral things are things that SHOULD go undone, REGARDLESS OF HOW PROFITABLE THEY ARE.

    So these neocon asscrackers yammering about the profitability of slave labor need to shut their satanic pie holes. Do they have no souls?

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    Do they have no souls?

    Do any of us ?
    One thing is certain many of them are Amoral when it comes to profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    Do they have no souls?

    Do any of us ?
    One thing is certain many of them are Amoral when it comes to profit.

    Yes. some of us do.

    Why is being against slavery equated with socialism in the modern context?

    These people have completely perverted the discourse regarding economics, freedom and morality, in the modern era.

    They take their economic arguments out of context, pretending they're moral arguments. Yes. capitalism is a good way to distribute resources efficiently, but there are other concerns in the world: Security, self-reliance, the future, morality, etc.
    Last edited by Hermes Thoth; 03-27-2007 at 04:35 PM.

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    Yep the current argument that if it is good for corporations it is good for the USA is bull crap.

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