The Three Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

**Ahala** · 12-03-2010, 10:11 PM

Are there only Three Horsemen in the Revelation of John the Divine?

Revelation 9:17-18 (King James Version)
17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Verse 9:18 begins with “By these three”. This obviously does not fit in with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalyse as proposed in Chapter 6 of the Revelation. Why did the editors of the New King James Version add the word “plagues” after “By these three”? Did they want to hide the inconsistencies in the extant Revelation? The editors of the New King James Version even italicized their added word “plagues”! However, “By these three plagues” is an obvious non sequitur.

Revelation 9:18 (New King James Version)
18 By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths.

It is clear that the (Three) Horsemen of the Apocalypse caused the fire, smoke and brimstone. Verse 9:18 has nothing to do with plagues. Since when do plagues have mouths? It doesn’t make any sense!

There are many Theologians who interpret the White Horse as Jesus Christ. The suggestion according to A.S. is that Jesus Christ was indeed revealed in the First Seal but was not on a horse. The Three Horsemen of the Apocalyspe would therefore consist of the Three Horsemen revealed in the Second, Third and Fourth Seal.

Many will say that this is not enough evidence to question the validity of the extant Revelation. To these people I suggest to also take a look at verses 22:18-19.

Revelation 22:18-19 (King James Version)
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

According to A.S.: These verses contain a curse upon those who would dare to make any changes to the book! These two verses contain the threat of dark arts, which is pure sorcery. This contradicts many of the warnings against sorcery and all forms of dark arts that appear throughout the Bible. These two verses, in and of themselves, should have alerted any thinking theologian that something is very wrong with the extant version of the Revelation.

Incidentally, in the case that verses 22:18-19 are indeed the word of god as revealed to his servant John the Divine, then the editors of the New King James Version as well as many other bible editors are in deep trouble, as they added the word “plagues” to the Revelation. Ironically, this would add plagues unto them according to verse 22:19.

Is this part of the Original Revelation?

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder. And I saw, and behold Jesus, majestically radiant, and clothed in white raiment and he had a sword; and a warrior's protective helmet was given unto him.

And he opened the second seal. And there went out a rider in brown raiment on a horse that was light chestnut brown: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

And when he opened the third seal I beheld, and lo another rider in black raiment on a black horse; and he that sat on him held in his hand a black lantern that shineth not.

And he opened the fourth seal. And I looked, and behold a rider in silvery-grey raiment upon a grey horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And three of the riders had with them huge armies. The army led by the rider on the brown horse was exceedingly strong and fresh. The rider on the black horse fell to the ground, as if dead. Then cometh the rider in the silvery-grey raiment to lift up the black rider. The black rider and his army mingled with the silvery-grey army led by the rider in silvery-grey raiment. Together, they fought against the rider in brown raiment and its army. The army of the silvery-grey rider and the army led by the rider in black raiment were determined yet tired. As the brown, black and silvery-grey armies engaged in battle, Jesus calmly watched on.”

**/MSG/** · 12-03-2010, 10:20 PM

Actually there is 5. Jesus was/is the 5th.

You're missing the part where Pestilence (the most badass of the horsemen) is unleashed upon the world.

***Phantasmal*** · 12-05-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Toki Wartooth

Actually there is 5. Jesus was/is the 5th.

You're missing the part where Pestilence (the most badass of the horsemen) is unleashed upon the world.

It is debatable!

**FUCK THE POLICE** · 12-05-2010, 07:30 PM

Doesn't matter.

**FUCK THE POLICE** · 12-05-2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Toki Wartooth

Actually there is 5. Jesus was/is the 5th.

You're missing the part where Pestilence (the most badass of the horsemen) is unleashed upon the world.

Captain, Grind, and Watermark: the THREE horsemen!

We would be four but I think three would object to being a horseman.

**/MSG/** · 12-06-2010, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by CERVIXCRUSHER9000

Captain, Grind, and Watermark: the THREE horsemen!

We would be four but I think three would object to being a horseman.

I call pestilence.

**cancel2 2022** · 12-06-2010, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Toki Wartooth

Actually there is 5. Jesus was/is the 5th.

You're missing the part where Pestilence (the most badass of the horsemen) is unleashed upon the world.

Jesus is supposed to be the first or the White Horseman.

***Damocles*** · 12-06-2010, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by tom prendergast

Jesus is supposed to be the first or the White Horseman.

You are mistaken. Jesus opens the seals which release the horsemen. He isn't one of the horsemen. He opens the first four seals which release the horsemen which each represent conquest, war, famine, death...

**FUCK THE POLICE** · 12-06-2010, 12:35 PM

I take war.

**charver** · 12-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

You are mistaken. Jesus opens the seals which release the horsemen. He isn't one of the horsemen. He opens the first four seals which release the horsemen which each represent conquest, war, famine, death...

Well, i have just returned from the local zoo, via a police cell, and i am beginning to think this lark about horses in seals is a little far-fetched. After a good look around the only thing i found was a few gallons of blood and the partially digested remains of a fish.

**cancel2 2022** · 12-06-2010, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

You are mistaken. Jesus opens the seals which release the horsemen. He isn't one of the horsemen. He opens the first four seals which release the horsemen which each represent conquest, war, famine, death...

It all depends on who you believe.

Irenaeus,an influential Christian theologian of the second century, was among the first to interpret this horseman as Christ himself, his white horse representing the successful spread of the gospel.

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***Phantasmal*** · 12-06-2010, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by tom prendergast

It all depends on who you believe.

Irenaeus,an influential Christian theologian of the second century, was among the first to interpret this horseman as Christ himself, his white horse representing the successful spread of the gospel.

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Well, he is about as believable as the rest of them.

**cancel2 2022** · 12-06-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rana

Well, he is about as believable as the rest of them.

It could also be the Holy Spirit but we will have to ask our resident expert Capt. Billy about that.

**/MSG/** · 12-06-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by tom prendergast

It could also be the Holy Spirit but we will have to ask our resident expert Capt. Billy about that.

Far from an expert. I just know a lot about the horsemen. Jesus, riding on a horse, unleashing the other four guys also on horses (in the order of War, Pestilence, Famine, and Death), and then gets back on his own fucking horse and rides out to do battle with them. That makes him the 5th and final horseman of the apocalypse.

***Phantasmal*** · 12-06-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Toki Wartooth

Far from an expert. I just know a lot about the horsemen. Jesus, riding on a horse, unleashing the other four guys also on horses (in the order of War, Pestilence, Famine, and Death), and then gets back on his own fucking horse and rides out to do battle with them. That makes him the 5th and final horseman of the apocalypse.

And then there is the idea that it is a forth telling and not a fore telling (prediction) and it is mostly a re write of the book of Daniel! and it does not mention Jesus by name, but the Christ, which is different.