Motts growing nightmare

[SmarterthanYou]

The rise of Libertarianism

If Fox News were to decide to put Napolitano on the air, his show would undoubtedly shake up the nice, little comfortable world of the statists. Both conservatives and liberals would undoubtedly be stunned, shell-shocked, and dumbfounded over how to deal with a television show filled with purist, hard-hitting libertarians challenging the fundamental premises of the welfare-warfare state that is so beloved to conservatives and liberals.

Well, I can’t say that the statists who appeared on the judge’s inaugural show this past weekend were stunned, shell-shocked, and dumbfounded, but I can say that for the first time in television history, they were challenged to address libertarian positions by a libertarian television talk-show host. For that reason alone, it was an absolutely incredible hour in the history of the libertarian movement.

After all, for years libertarians and the libertarian perspective have, by and large, been shut out of the television talk-show circuit. The debate has almost always been between liberals and conservatives. In other words, it’s always been a debate — if you can call it that — involving one form of statism versus another form of statism — that is, over which statist reform program should be adopted — the liberal one or the conservative one. The libertarian perspective — abolishing and dismantling statist welfare-warfare programs in favor of freedom, peace, and the free market simply has not been presented, much less discussed.

That all seems to be changing. Libertarianism is on the rise, as reflected most recently by the spate of articles attacking libertarianism, from both the left and the right. The statists are undoubtedly sensing the rising number of people who are now exploring libertarianism or even calling themselves libertarians. The statists are obviously getting nervous or even running scared.

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oh, i thought this was about the race card being shredded

[PostmodernProphet]

oh, i thought this was about the race card being shredded

I thought it was about Big 10 football......

[Damocles]

And there are many, many who joined the R Party (They'll leave too if TEA Party just winds up being idiots electing George W. Bush).

[WinterBorn]

There are plenty in both parties who are tired of the status quo.

Both parties spend more effort trying to defeat the other party than doing their actual job.

I also think the social engineering is alienating many, many people.

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I wish the Palinites and Teabagtards would leave the GOP.

[SmarterthanYou]

I wish the Palinites and Teabagtards would leave the GOP.

We'd like the Palinites and GOP to leave our TEA movement.

[WinterBorn]

I'd like to see a return to fiscal conservatism, and leave the social conservatism out.

In other words, be careful spending our money, and our personal lives are none of your damn business.

[Canceled2]

We'd like the Palinites and GOP to leave our TEA movement.

Your TEA movement? The TEA movement is not libertarian any more than it is republican. The truth is it's just people of any stripe or background fed up with agendas in government that take more of our money while growing government!

Sarah Palin is a voice, Ron Paul is a voice...but they and their politics are NOT the TEA party, but merely a part of it.

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"On January 19, 2009, Graham Makohoniuk, a part-time trader and a member of Ticker Forum, posted a casual invitation on the market-ticker.org forums to "Mail a tea bag to congress and to senate". The idea quickly caught on with others on the forum, some of whom reported being attracted to the inexpensive, easy way to reach "everyone that voted for the bailout."

Forum moderator, Stephanie Jasky helped organize the group and worked to "get it to go viral. Jasky is also the founder and director of FedUpUSA - a fiscally conservative, non-partisan activist group whose members describe themselves as "a group of investors" who sprung out of the market-ticker.org forums. The group had previously held DC protests in 2008. On January 19, 2009, Jasky had posted a formal invitation "to a commemorative tea party. She suggested they all send tea bags on the same day (February 1, 2009) in a coordinated effort.

The founder of market-ticker.org, Karl Denninger (stock trader and former CEO), published his own write-up on the proposed protest, titled "Tea Party February 1st?," which was posted in direct response to President Obama's inauguration occurring on the same day, and railed against the bailouts, the US national debt and "the fraud and abuse in our banking and financial system" which included the predatory lending practices currently at the center of the home mortgage foreclosure crisis. Karl Denninger, who helped form FedUpUSA in the wake of the March 2008 Federal Reserve bail out of Bear Sterns, had been a guest on both Glenn Beck and CNBC Reports. By February 1, the idea had spread among conservative and libertarian-oriented blogs, forums, websites and through a viral email campaign.

On February 11, talk radio host and Fox Business Network personality Dave Ramsey appeared on Fox and Friends, waving tea bags and saying "It's time for a Tea Party. He was on the show criticizing the newly confirmed Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner, who that morning had outlined his plan to use the $300 billion or so dollars remaining in the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds. He intended to use $50 billion for foreclosure mitigation and use the rest to help fund private investors to buy toxic assets from banks

[Cypress]

LOL @ "growing nightmare"

HaHa, thanks man, that was awesome!


I can't speak for Mott, but I think most people make fun of libertarians for the sheer comedic value. I don't think anyone is stressed out about it.

But, if it helps your self-esteem to think legions of liberals are sitting around worrying about the Libertarian Party, go for it!

[Mott the Hoople]

There are plenty in both parties who are tired of the status quo.

Both parties spend more effort trying to defeat the other party than doing their actual job.

I also think the social engineering is alienating many, many people.

I really don't blame our two party system for that. It is a very representative system if people take the time to be informed and active in politics. Particularly local politics and that's the problem. There are to damned many people to damed lazy to be bothered with politics and because they are apathetic we have a system that's largely apathetic towards it's constituents.

I tell ya, I'm more respectful of extremist and racist like Dixie, Webway and Tinhat whom I couldn't possibly disagree more with because they do take the time and effort to participate. It's the ignorant couch potato's who don't participate that are a big part of the problem.

Imagine how much more tuned in to their constituents politicians would be if we had 90% voter turn out?

[WinterBorn]

I really don't blame our two party system for that. It is a very representative system if people take the time to be informed and active in politics. Particularly local politics and that's the problem. There are to damned many people to damed lazy to be bothered with politics and because they are apathetic we have a system that's largely apathetic towards it's constituents.

I tell ya, I'm more respectful of extremist and racist like Dixie, Webway and Tinhat whom I couldn't possibly disagree more with because they do take the time and effort to participate. It's the ignorant couch potato's who don't participate that are a big part of the problem.

Imagine how much more tuned in to their constituents politicians would be if we had 90% voter turn out?

The only thing they have done is to get more people elected than all other Third Parties combined.

Representative??? Have you really been paying attention?

Whether the voters are educated or not, the two main parties wield the power. Anyone who gets elected as a republican or democrat is run more by the party than by their promises.

[Mott the Hoople]

The only thing they have done is to get more people elected than all other Third Parties combined.

Representative??? Have you really been paying attention?

Whether the voters are educated or not, the two main parties wield the power. Anyone who gets elected as a republican or democrat is run more by the party than by their promises.

But that's my point Winter. When you only have 40% to 50% voter turn out, which is a national shame, then politicians can get away with it. Both of our two political parties are broad based coalitions and the reason it's so non-representative today is that voter apathy allows the extremes of both parties to dominate to the detriment of everyone else.

What's the old saying "You get the government you deserve"? Because a huge percentage of the public is apathetic towards their responsibility to participating in the political process our politicians are somewhat apathetic about representing our interest. Why do you think lobbyist with their money have such a strangle hold on our political process?

My point being is that if there was a greater degree of turnout and participation by the public in our political process then the two parties, since they are broad based coalitions, wouldn't be able to get away with this shit, at least not on the extremes. Nor would you see the degree of partisan gridlock either and with out that greater degree of participation having a third party wouldn't fix anything.

But even if you are right about the need for a third party to fix this problem, it sure wouldn't be something as laughable as the libertarians.

[Minister of Truth]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, ANARCHY!!!!!!!! KNOW!!!!!!!!

/Mott

[DamnYankee]

Conservatism is nothing without social conservatism. That's why libertarians fails so consistently. Even been to a town run by libertarians? Its nuts.