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    Couldn't find anyone to explain the big words to you, eh?

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/.../t-281583.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Than All Y'All View Post
    Couldn't find anyone to explain the big words to you, eh?

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/.../t-281583.html
    :lol: That's your proof? Posts on a message board? :lol:

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    You won't have to learn to read to understand this:



    Then come back and explain how it's not racist. That is, if you ain't too busy, what with your life and all.

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    Again, its up to you to prove that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Than All Y'All View Post
    Wikipedia! :lol:

    You do realize that anyone can write for Wiki, even you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Wikipedia! :lol:

    You do realize that anyone can write for Wiki, even you.
    You do realize that anyone can correct inaccurate information on Wiki, even you.

    So what would you say about the Willie Horton ads?

    That is, if you aren't too busy increasing the value of your property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Than All Y'All View Post
    You won't have to learn to read to understand this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzk

    Then come back and explain how it's not racist. That is, if you ain't too busy, what with your life and all.
    I'm not sure racist is really the appropriate word. I'm sure some people see it that way, but just because there is a racial aspect to the issue, and it certainly is speaking to white voters, does not mean that it is in itself racist.

    That would be like saying an ad directed to black voters or latino voters is racist.

    Racial quotas are illegal in university education, for example, even in "liberal" states like California and Michigan. Only far leftists would call that racist.

    This ad works because it builds on people's resentment about a policy. It's not saying "it's all the minorities' fault that you didn't get that job".

    It's saying that qualified people looking for work could be out of work under that policy. And if they don't favor that policy, then they know who to vote for.

    Would it be racist if I ran an ad for black voters criticizing Democrats for opposing charter schools and school vouchers, which provide opportunity for their community?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Weinberg View Post
    I'm not sure racist is really the appropriate word. I'm sure some people see it that way, but just because there is a racial aspect to the issue, and it certainly is speaking to white voters, does not mean that it is in itself racist.

    That would be like saying an ad directed to black voters or latino voters is racist.

    Racial quotas are illegal in university education, for example, even in "liberal" states like California and Michigan. Only far leftists would call that racist.

    This ad works because it builds on people's resentment about a policy. It's not saying "it's all the minorities' fault that you didn't get that job".

    It's saying that qualified people looking for work could be out of work under that policy. And if they don't favor that policy, then they know who to vote for.

    Would it be racist if I ran an ad for black voters criticizing Democrats for opposing charter schools and school vouchers, which provide opportunity for their community?
    The perception of racism is based upon the fact that other furloughed convicts also committed crimes after being released, but they aren't mentioned in the ad. Only the "scary-looking black guy" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Weinberg View Post
    It's certainly going to be interpreted as insensitive by many.

    But there's no way to deny that the Southern states have a heritage of people who fought in the civil war. I wouldn't seek to delete that, and as Hunter says:

    "Complicated historical questions have been whittled down to politically correct bromides, more digestible to children and politicians."

    I added the emphasis because the statement amuses me.

    I do think it's also offensive (though not to as many people) to cast off the recognition of war dead and veterans of our country's civil war based on whether they sided with the Union or the Confederacy. That's not in the spirit of reconciliation or respecting our country's history.
    Apparently it's OK to recognize the dead Confederates and not the dead Unionists who died on Virginian soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Than All Y'All View Post
    The perception of racism is based upon the fact that other furloughed convicts also committed crimes after being released, but they aren't mentioned in the ad. Only the "scary-looking black guy" is.
    I was referring more specifically to the Jesse Helms ad.

    I have no doubt that you are correct that political power-players tolerate the decision to appeal to some people's people's worst instincts in trying to get a rise out of the average voter.

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    If there hadn't been a south the modern day GOP would act much like modern Democrats and would probably face the Socialist or Progressive party in elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bittermark View Post
    Apparently it's OK to recognize the dead Confederates and not the dead Unionists who died on Virginian soil.
    Apparently I said it was wrong to exclude either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Weinberg View Post
    Apparently I said it was wrong to exclude either.
    Then why should it just be a Confederate history month?

    I'm OK with lamenting the deaths, but the Confederacy was a disaster for the south and the nation. There's nothing to be proud of there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bittermark View Post
    Then why should it just be a Confederate history month?

    I'm OK with lamenting the deaths, but the Confederacy was a disaster for the south and the nation. There's nothing to be proud of there.
    I'm not really interested in the aspect of having a Confederate History Month, so much as not wanting people to whitewash or denigrate the participants in a historical event that profoundly impacted the country.

    Holding it against people of the South, especially the soldiers, that their part of the country was the Confederacy is as juvenile as holding the existence of slavery in their era against our country's founders as an invalidation of their contributions.

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