I'll tell you one thing Yurt that you have to agree on. Once you start debating the gay thing most folks here will flip out and get all hissy and shit.
I'll tell you one thing Yurt that you have to agree on. Once you start debating the gay thing most folks here will flip out and get all hissy and shit.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
"Unnatural" is simply not a standard of morality. It is unnatural to fly in an airplane, it is unnatural to fix your vision with glasses, to clothe yourself for warmth and ornament, to drive cars, to send people into space, use velcro, buy lotto tickets and about a billion other things we regularly do. It is unnatural to send signals through the air so that somebody can watch your pastor on the boob tube, it is unnatural to encase boobs in cloth that hold them up so they don't hang to women's knees before they are thirty. It's unnatural to use electricity to power servers and create the internet to communicate with others across the planet without leaving your house...
Messageboards are unnatural... so many things people do are unnatural that making it the standard of what is "moral" would be absolutely stupid.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Define "unnatural" it is important that we are working with the same definitions if we begin a conversation on this issue. I don't want the target to continuously change because you want to desperately believe it is "unnatural" in some way.
What is seriously "unnatural" is the capacity for the human to care so much about what others do that doesn't hurt them or effect them in any way.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
The video is silly and funny, hardly a serious argument for condoning or condemning homosexuality....
Un-natural?
Completely subjective, therefore irrelevant....
No religious support for ?
A personal opinion, also irrelevant...
Can't produce children?
Absolutely true....
Contagious?
Hardly a serious observation...
Adoption ?
Untrue ... homo's can't adopt and raise children...
Weird ?
Again, subjective personal opinion, irrelevant...
Male and female role models to raise children?
Accepted belief as a better environment to rear children
Unpopular ?
Irrelevant...who cares if its "popular"
And they don't have basic freedoms?
Complete bullshit....life, liberty and pursuit of happiness,= basic freedoms...
Right to marry?
Its just a lie to claim that there isn't some entity, somewhere, that will perform some agreed upon ceremony, that ANY TWO ADULT people can claim that they are married in their own eyes and live as they see fit...any lawyer can make legal any agreement these folks want to enter into (A contract between them)concerning money, property, health decisions, etc.......
BUT.....
neither the State nor Religious organizations nor Corporations are obligated to recognize said 'marriage' or ANY marriage if they so desire, for there own reasons....
So...its bullshit, strawman, irrelevant crap....
Nobody cares what two people do in private, adult, consensual sex....
Last edited by NOVA; 10-23-2009 at 08:34 PM.
Put blame where it belongs
ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.
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