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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    LOL from the dork who supports taxing into a surplus
    Taxation should be whatever it takes to completely fund the level of government you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    If a majority ate poop, would you take a bite?
    It wasn't an argumentum ad popularem. I was just pointing out that he was incorrect in his claim that only through eliminating the income tax would we be on an even playing field. Anyone who's not making a billion dollars a year should oppose the 40% VAT it would require to fund federal discretionary spending through a consumption tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    a vat has zero chance of passing.
    And if cons are smart they will plaster fox with Pelosi supporting any tax on top of what we have.
    Folks watergerber has a burger flipping job. I don't see any 30 somethings with 3 kids asking for more taxes.
    Yes, because the 30 year old wants to pass on that taxes he should have paid to his 3 kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    Taxation should be whatever it takes to completely fund the level of government you want.
    government operations should be retstrained to operate on a level of taxation that does not destroy the economy, or human lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    government operations should be retstrained to operate on a level of taxation that does not destroy the economy, or human lives.
    If government money is well spent it doesn't hurt the economy. Private money badly spent hurts the economy just as much as government money badly spent. In America, sure, we don't pay the extra 10% taxation required to have UHC. Instead, we pay 15% of our income to cover just the poor and middle class, and leave the poor out to dry. Sounds like a good trade off to me! It lowers our taxes so it must be good for the economy!

    The most damaging myth in America, that will eventually lead to our end, is the myth of the societal black hole; the myth that money spent by society at large somehow goes into some great black hole. When the opposite is actually true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    If government money is well spent it doesn't hurt the economy. Private money badly spent hurts the economy just as much as government money badly spent. In America, sure, we don't pay the extra 10% taxation required to have UHC. Instead, we pay 15% of our income to cover 80% of the population.
    Government money is poorly spent, as a rule. The money is used to strengthen hierarchies of cronyism, MORE SO than the private sector even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    Government money is poorly spent, as a rule.
    That's just the delusion you operate under, that the noahide corporate masters at large have implanted in you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    That's just the delusion you operate under, that the noahide corporate masters at large have implanted in you.
    No it's not.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Only through an overpowerful government could banks get trillions in bailouts for destroying our economy.

    Additionally, a vat tax is the most regressive tax imaginable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    That's just the delusion you operate under, that the noahide corporate masters at large have implanted in you.
    You wouldn't know it if it was beaten into your head with a $600 hammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    No it's not.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Only through an overpowerful government could banks get trillions in bailouts for destroying our economy.

    Additionally, a vat tax is the most regressive tax imaginable.
    A head tax is the most regressive tax imaginable.
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    A value added tax is just a national sales tax.
    Just sling a fancy sounding name on it and some suck it up like candy.


    In a recession people are not buying much so it would bring in little.
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    A value added tax is just a national sales tax.
    It is a fairer version of a sales tax, since it taxes the whole pipeline equally.

    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    Just sling a fancy sounding name on it and some suck it up like candy.
    Not much you can do to make a tax sound like candy.

    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    In a recession people are not buying much so it would bring in little.
    The VAT would be a useful tool to bring balance the budget (if income taxes simply can't be raised), but as I said before, no one is proposing doing this in the middle of the recession. Income tax reciepts are also down sharply.
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    "Not much you can do to make a tax sound like candy"

    Tell me what value it adds to a product I buy?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    but as I said before, no one is proposing doing this in the middle of the recession. Income tax reciepts are also down sharply.
    first sentence of the fucking article:
    A new value-added tax (VAT) is "on the table" to help the U.S. address its fiscal liabilities, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Monday night.

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