First Norway, now Greece, next the USA!

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The Socialist revolution is coming! We will bring down the conservative Obama forces and far-right Republican/Fascist coalition!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...on-pasok-party

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Greek socialists claim victory in election



Greek socialist party supporters in Athens react following exit poll results from the parliamentary elections in Greece. Photograph: Angelos Tzortzinis/AP

Amid scenes of jubilation, Greek socialists were on course tonight to be elected into office with what appeared to be a resounding victory after more than five years of conservative rule.
With a sixth of the vote counted, the centre-left Pasok party was leading with 43% – enough to form a government in the 300-seat parliament – while the centre-right New Democracy party had 36%.
The resurgence of Pasok, led by the US-born George Papandreou, follows mass disillusionment with a government marred by scandal and criticised for its handling of the economy and a string of natural disasters.
The prime minister, Costas Karamanlis, had called the poll midway through his term in office, hoping it would boost his legitimacy. But the gamble failed to pay off. By voting out the incumbent New Democrats so determinedly, analysts said, Greeks had shown how "fed up" they were with the abuse of power.
Papandreou, 57, the scion of a political dynasty that has dominated Greece for 50 years, had wooed voters by promising to "revolutionise" the country's cultural and political life – and offering the possibility that its near bankrupt economy could be "fixed" without further austerity. "We need a new start," he told the Guardian in an exclusive interview. "We need to clean up our act … people, clearly, are looking for an alternative that is both realistic and visionary."
Tackling cronyism, corruption and a bloated state sector would, he said, be top priorities along with a €3bn stimulus package to jumpstart the economy.
George Papandreou, leader of the Pasok party, promised to kick-start the economy with a €3bn stimulus package. Photograph: Petros Giannakouris/AP Papandreou is head of the Socialist International, the global grouping of leftist parties, and his victory will be a boost for the left. His ascent to power will, say analysts, usher in a "wind of change." Unlike his father, Andreas, who founded Pasok out of an anti-dictatorship movement in 1974 and was then elected prime minister three times, Papandreou eschews fiery rhetoric.
He prefers a more measured stance on "national" issues. As foreign minister in the 1990s he masterminded the reconciliation policies that led to an improvement in ties with Turkey.
But implementing the Socialists' agenda of reform will not be easy and Papandreou is unlikely to be given a honeymoon period.
"People are very scared out there. They are very worried about the economy because in this country so much depends on the state," said analyst Pavlos Tsimas. "I have been following Greek elections for over 30 years and I have never seen anything like it, there is absolutely no joy, no hope."
The "politics of hope" that some have accused Papandreou of peddling will need to be backed up with visible results, commentators say. "The new government will have to be a bit like an army on the march, with targets reached and announced every few months," said Thalia Dragona, a professor of social psychology and former Pasok MP.

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why in the hell do you think socialism would be good for the US?

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why in the hell do you think socialism would be good for the US?

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HAPPY DANES

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HAPPY DANES

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/bu...4.8603880.html

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hopefully this post is meant to be a joke....because if you're serious....well....nevermind, its just to simple to even try and explain to you if you are indeed serious

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/bu...4.8603880.html

Actually the cause of the labor shortages are huge restrictions in immigration recently put in place by right-wing governments. This seems pretty common sense; the labor shortages are new, the immigration restrictions are new, the taxation level has actually been reduced over the decades. But it doesn't meet right wing expectations, so they throw some anecdotal remarks into a hit piece, present no factual evidence, and call it a day. The taxation level does not effect a normal Dane because they get most of it back through the welfare state. Why don't you count your health insurance and other things as taxation? You'd get much higher levels of taxation than the Danes have.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/bu...4.8603880.html

Your article....

The mixture has served Denmark well, and its economy barreled ahead in 2006 by 3.5 percent, one of the best performances in western Europe. The country is effectively at full employment.

Oh, the horror!

But success has given rise to an anxious search for talent among Danish companies, and focused attention on émigrés like Sorensen. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which is based in Paris, projects that Denmark's growth rate will fall to an annual rate of slightly more than 1 percent for the five years beginning in 2009, reflecting a dwindling supply of a vital input for any economy: labor.

We have ten percent unemployment, and the Danes don’t have enough people to fill their jobs! WHAT A HELL HOLE!!!!

Sorensen, who graduated from business school in Copenhagen, found himself earning the equivalent of more than $100,000 before he was 30 - and paying 63 percent of it in taxes. Now, he is ensconced in Frankfurt, setting up a new business on the side and planning to pay no more than 25 percent of his income to the German state.

So, he’s a world traveler who’s ensconced himself in Germany, and other liberal – indeed “socialist” by the lexicon of the American right wing – Europeane nationS. Sounds like the best of both worlds – a welfare state only marginally less generous that Denmark, with lower taxes.

So, you’re a fan of the German model of the social democratic welfare state now? Will wonders never cease! Man, when did you, a Bush Republican, become of fan of the western European welfare state? I’m truly shocked!

Question: Why didn’t Mr. Sorensen move to Mississippi, or one of our other Red state paradises?

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What a diverse group of peoples. They must have overcome so many cultural obstacles to achieve such a unifying system

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Germany actually has lower levels of taxation than America. I suspect this is because they don't have need to fund a large military.

Denmarks welfare state is definitely much larger, although they have freer market policies. But the articles attempt to make its point mostly by referencing the anecdotes of a single ex-pat undermines its credibility. You shouldn't build a case soley on anecdotal evidence. If Denmark's economy were truly as bad as he tries to put it, they wouldn't be a developed nation right now. And, again, they've been a developed nation with a welfare state this size for about half a century, often with growth rates equal to or exceeding Americas. The only thing new in the equation is the right-wing administrations immigration policies.

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Actually the cause of the labor shortages are huge restrictions in immigration recently put in place by right-wing governments. This seems pretty common sense; the labor shortages are new, the immigration restrictions are new, the taxation level has actually been reduced over the decades. But it doesn't meet right wing expectations, so they throw some anecdotal remarks into a hit piece, present no factual evidence, and call it a day. The taxation level does not effect a normal Dane because they get most of it back through the welfare state. Why don't you count your health insurance and other things as taxation? You'd get much higher levels of taxation than the Danes have.

If you had bothered to read the article, you'd see Danes are leaving their country in swarms because of its high, unfair tax system. Why should someone making $70,000 per year have to pay 60% of their income to the government? That's bullshit. Also, I have a friend who recently moved from Denmark to Toronto because Canada offers better opportunities and lower taxation. While in Denmark, he was paying about 65% of his income to the government. In Canada, he's paying about 30%.

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QUOTE=Watermark;530888]Germany actually has lower levels of taxation than America. I suspect this is because they don't have need to fund a large military.

gee...i wonder why germany doesn't have to pay for a large military...because you and i pay for it.....

and i would like to see a link to the fact that germany has lower taxation levels....

Denmarks welfare state is definitely much larger, although they have freer market policies. But the articles attempt to make its point mostly by referencing the anecdotes of a single ex-pat undermines its credibility. You shouldn't build a case soley on anecdotal evidence. If Denmark's economy were truly as bad as he tries to put it, they wouldn't be a developed nation right now. And, again, they've been a developed nation with a welfare state this size for about half a century, often with growth rates equal to or exceeding Americas. The only thing new in the equation is the right-wing administrations immigration policies.

you still have not answered post #2.....until then, apples/oranges

maybe you forgot about denmark's natural resources and the ratio to its citizen population...

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gee...i wonder why germany doesn't have to pay for a large military...because you and i pay for it.....

What a brilliant insight.

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If you had bothered to read the article, you'd see Danes are leaving their country in swarms because of its high, unfair tax system. Why should someone making $70,000 per year have to pay 60% of their income to the government? That's bullshit. Also, I have a friend who recently moved from Denmark to Toronto because Canada offers better opportunities and lower taxation. While in Denmark, he was paying about 65% of his income to the government. In Canada, he's paying about 30%.

I have a friend who moved to Denmark because socialism is so great. Isn't the internet great?

Anecdotal evidence = no evidence at all. Back up your claims with more than moralistic pandering and anecdotal evidence or get out of the adults way.

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What a brilliant insight.

why do you continue to ignore the rest of my post....namely post #2...

and of course i am brilliant.....if you weren't so stupid, you would have figured that out a long time ago