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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
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    October 7, - cause and effect

    On October 7, 2023, Israel was subjected to a terrorist attack by Palestinians from Gaza, who, it must be said frankly, took advantage of the arrogance of Israeli border guards during the holidays, killed 1,200 people and took 242 hostages to Gaza. So, once again a war began again, which in duration exceeded 5 months and, despite the incomparable military superiority of Israel, continues to this day, claiming the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis.
    The United States and the EU, on the one hand, condemned the actions of Palestinian terrorists and believe that Israel has the right to punish the Palestinians, but at the same time they call on Israel to be more careful when dropping multi-ton bombs on Gaza, which has the largest population density in the world. Frankly, it’s amazing how a pilot dropping a bomb from a height can distinguish a terrorist from an ordinary citizen. After all, the Palestinians do not have a regular army with tanks, guns and planes. In general, judging by the scale of the destroyed buildings, they were all inhabited by terrorists, and it should be noted that this is closer to the truth. It is difficult to imagine that their residents would not wish the Israelis dead, given the conditions of their powerless existence under apartheid and the number of deaths from rockets, bombs and shells. I will not be wrong if I say that every Palestinian is a potential terrorist, including women.

    You don’t have to be particularly perspicacious not to understand why from the very first day of the formation of Israel in Palestine there has been a war between Jews and Arabs, and why martial law was introduced in Israel, which has not yet been lifted. The point is the demographic situation that arose immediately with the organization of the state for Jews. Israel cannot be a Jewish state if the majority of its citizens are Arabs. Therefore, expelled Palestinians emerged and became refugees scattered throughout the surrounding Arab countries. The remaining part of the Arab population of the former Palestine received Israeli citizenship, while most of the Palestinians were isolated in the autonomy, the territory of which, like shagreen leather, is shrinking from year to year.




    As a result of Israel's expansionist policy, the territory of the Palestinian Authority differs sharply from the territory of the Palestinian state, provided for by the well-known UN decision to create two states in place of Palestine for two peoples - Jewish and Arab. The Israeli government ignored the UN decision and found a solution to the problem by building a concrete wall around the occupied territory, which is more like a huge prison without a roof. The population of the autonomy is deprived of the civil rights inherent in citizens of the state and is a supplier of cheap labor. Isolating Palestinians in a concrete sack is very similar to the action of a state pursuing an apartheid policy. It would be another matter if the construction of this wall reflected a mutual agreement on the state border between Jews and Palestinians, but, unfortunately, there is no such agreement, and the location of the wall only secures the annexed territories for Israel, emphasizing aggressive intentions towards the Arabs, and most importantly, the wall acquires the meaning of another, additionally created, obstacle on the path to peace.
    In modern times, due to the war, Israel is experiencing serious problems in the field of construction, which has completely stopped, and in the declining production of agricultural products, the prices of which have increased by 50%. Israeli businessmen, accustomed to dealing with Palestinians from the autonomy, are not ready to pay much higher salaries to workers invited from abroad. Continuation of the war could lead to a catastrophic state of the economy.

    As I wrote earlier (1), the blame for the fact that there is a permanent war going on in the former Palestine lies entirely with the UN, which was obliged to foresee the confrontation that had occurred and first send troops to the stipulated border of the division of Palestine in accordance with the map.



    The attack by Palestinian terrorists on October 7, which initiated military action, also initiated an appeal by the world community to the cause of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Many Western politicians, including Biden, suddenly remembered a state for the Palestinians and began to speak out about its creation as the only way to end this half-century-old conflict. This circumstance leads to a very unpleasant conclusion, namely, if not for the Hamas terrorists, then no one would have mentioned the forgotten state for the Palestinians, although everyone had long known how to stop the bloodshed between Jews and Arabs, but remained silent so as not to irritate... .
    By the way, a few words about terrorists. The fact is that partisans also engage in terror; moreover, any war cannot do without mass terror, as a result of which civilians die. There is the same difference between terrorists and partisans as there is between spies and intelligence officers. (2.3)

    1. The UN's fatal mistake. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/106403.html
    2. International terrorism and its stakeholders. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/1904.html
    3. Terrorists or partisans? https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/105826.html

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    There never has been a Palestinian State. Most likely, thanks to Arab terrorists, there never will be. I wish morons would stop perpetuating this lie in the media, our government institutions and educational establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Nope. On October 7th, Israel was attacked yet again by Iran through proxies Al Qassam.
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    At that point it became a SWAT (law enforcement) action ... except Israel decided to disregard the Geneva Conventions, to seize the opportunity presented by Iran's attack and to impose collective punishment on thousands of Palestinian children by perpetrating a horrendous genocide against neighboring Arabs. Now Israel is the new Nazi state, engaged in committing Holocaust 2.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Nope. They incorrectly condemned "Palestinians", and then began using the words "Hamas", "Gazan civilians" and "terrorists" interchangeably, legitimizing the slaughter of thousands of women and children who never attacked Israel. Collective punishment might very well be an atrocious war crime, but it is apparently OK if Israel does it. It is apparently OK for Israel to commit assassinations when such is condemned for every other country. Israel is enjoying the "eternal victim" good life.
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    See? You're doing it as well. Does Israel really have the right to inflict collective punishment on Palestinians? No, they most certainly do not.
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    It's a war crime to launch air strikes into public places, one count for each bomb. However, the crime of unlawful killing comes at one count per death.
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    It doesn't matter. According to the Geneva Conventions, the moment the IDF entered Gaza, they incurred the full responsibility to protect every single civilian noncombatant. Each failure to do so is another count of war crimes committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Nope. There were no terrorists in those buildings. The IDF just wants to destroy everything built by Arabs and mock them in their misery. After destroying a structure (e.g. apartment building, hospital, school, etc.) the IDF would look for things amidst the rubble and declare "this was obviously a logistics center for Hamas, and probably a command center as well."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Nope. The blame lies squarely with the Semites, both Jewish and Arab, who completely HATE each other, who are each completely racist against the other, who virtue-signal their HATE to their fellow Semites, and who simply can't let go of even a shred of their HATE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    What I don't see are 1) Arabs exterminating Israelis, or 2) the IDF invading Iran (who attacked Israel).
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    This douchebag is the poster child for antisemitic garbage and revisionist history. I wish antisemitic douchebag liars like you would read the geneva convention before they post MSNBC bullshit about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Israel has not existed for 500 years. Palestinians have been losing land for 75 years. You might be able to extend that a little bit, but not to 500 years.

    There was a minor inflow of Jews to Palestine 500 years ago, with the expulsion of the Jews in 1492 from Spain, but that was tiny, and the Arabs did not lose much land over that.

    Honestly, I am confused by your post.
    They have been in the area for over 3,000 dumbass.

    The Jewish History of Israel Is Over 3,000 Years Old. That’s Why It’s Complicated.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/o...ry-israel.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There are a few nonsensical parts of your post. Blaming the Palestinians for the Jewish uprising against the Romans is weird. The Jews lost Israel over that. The Second Temple was even destroyed. The Palestinians kept Palestine from that point to the late 1940's.

    The Muslims had a very successful set of wars with the Byzantines.
    They weren't Palestinians. There has never been a nation called Palestine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There never has been a Palestinian State.
    There have always been Philistines, at least for as long as there have been Israelites. Goliath was a Palestinian. You just prefer to not have a clue about what you are speaking/writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    There have always been Philistines, at least for as long as there have been Israelites. Goliath was a Palestinian. You just prefer to not have a clue about what you are speaking/writing.
    Show us on any map where the nation of Palestine was. You dunce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Show us on any map where the nation of Palestine was.
    Show me in the Bible where there were never any Philistines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Show me in the Bible where there were never any Philistines.
    Philistines are not Palestine dumbass. God you're an insufferable moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Philistines are not Palestine dumbass.
    Did you just now realize this? Philistine is Palestine. Philistines are Palestinians. Didn't you ever go to school? God you're an insufferable moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There are a few nonsensical parts of your post. Blaming the Palestinians for the Jewish uprising against the Romans is weird. The Jews lost Israel over that. The Second Temple was even destroyed. The Palestinians kept Palestine from that point to the late 1940's.

    The Muslims had a very successful set of wars with the Byzantines.
    The Jews lost their statehood in 516 BC. and gained statehood in 1948. In 632, the Arab Caliphate arose, which supplanted the Byzantine Empire and lasted until 1252. That is, the Arabs lived in the territory of Palestine and owned it until the fall of the Arab Caliphate. After the Arab Caliphate, the entire territory of the Middle East was controlled by the Turks until the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and then Palestine was under the control of the British until 1948.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    The Jews lost their statehood in 516 BC. and gained statehood in 1948. In 632, the Arab Caliphate arose, which supplanted the Byzantine Empire and lasted until 1252. That is, the Arabs lived in the territory of Palestine and owned it until the fall of the Arab Caliphate. After the Arab Caliphate, the entire territory of the Middle East was controlled by the Turks until the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and then Palestine was under the control of the British until 1948.
    The Arabs never seemed to get a grip on modern warfare after losing WWI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    The Jews lost their statehood in 516 BC. and gained statehood in 1948. In 632, the Arab Caliphate arose, which supplanted the Byzantine Empire and lasted until 1252. That is, the Arabs lived in the territory of Palestine and owned it until the fall of the Arab Caliphate. After the Arab Caliphate, the entire territory of the Middle East was controlled by the Turks until the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and then Palestine was under the control of the British until 1948.
    11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

    12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

    13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

    14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

    15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

    16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

    17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

    18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

    19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

    20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guno צְבִי View Post
    11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

    12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

    13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

    14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

    15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

    16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

    17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

    18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

    19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

    20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
    Palestine as an Arab state never existed. This territory was part of the Arab Caliphate, which was destroyed by the Turks, and after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, England and France divided all the Arab lands among themselves, splitting them into separate Arab states. In 1948, the territory of Palestine, where the Arabs lived, was divided into two more states: Palestinian and Jewish. However, the Jews, having weapons, did not allow the Arabs to create a state by occupying all of Palestine. Due to the fact that there were much more Arab residents of Palestine than Jews, most of the Arabs were driven into autonomy, while the other part of the Arabs fled to neighboring Arab countries to save themselves. This is how there were more Jews than Arabs in the newly created Jewish state of Israel. Since 1948, the Palestinian Arabs have been trying to achieve their own state as decided by the UN, but Israel has been preventing the implementation of this decision and has been at war with the Palestinian Arabs all this time. To end the war, the Jews have two options, either to give the Palestinians the opportunity to create a state within the limits in accordance with the UN decision, or to kill all the Arabs in the autonomous territory.

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