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    October 7, - cause and effect

    On October 7, 2023, Israel was subjected to a terrorist attack by Palestinians from Gaza, who, it must be said frankly, took advantage of the arrogance of Israeli border guards during the holidays, killed 1,200 people and took 242 hostages to Gaza. So, once again a war began again, which in duration exceeded 5 months and, despite the incomparable military superiority of Israel, continues to this day, claiming the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis.
    The United States and the EU, on the one hand, condemned the actions of Palestinian terrorists and believe that Israel has the right to punish the Palestinians, but at the same time they call on Israel to be more careful when dropping multi-ton bombs on Gaza, which has the largest population density in the world. Frankly, it’s amazing how a pilot dropping a bomb from a height can distinguish a terrorist from an ordinary citizen. After all, the Palestinians do not have a regular army with tanks, guns and planes. In general, judging by the scale of the destroyed buildings, they were all inhabited by terrorists, and it should be noted that this is closer to the truth. It is difficult to imagine that their residents would not wish the Israelis dead, given the conditions of their powerless existence under apartheid and the number of deaths from rockets, bombs and shells. I will not be wrong if I say that every Palestinian is a potential terrorist, including women.

    You don’t have to be particularly perspicacious not to understand why from the very first day of the formation of Israel in Palestine there has been a war between Jews and Arabs, and why martial law was introduced in Israel, which has not yet been lifted. The point is the demographic situation that arose immediately with the organization of the state for Jews. Israel cannot be a Jewish state if the majority of its citizens are Arabs. Therefore, expelled Palestinians emerged and became refugees scattered throughout the surrounding Arab countries. The remaining part of the Arab population of the former Palestine received Israeli citizenship, while most of the Palestinians were isolated in the autonomy, the territory of which, like shagreen leather, is shrinking from year to year.




    As a result of Israel's expansionist policy, the territory of the Palestinian Authority differs sharply from the territory of the Palestinian state, provided for by the well-known UN decision to create two states in place of Palestine for two peoples - Jewish and Arab. The Israeli government ignored the UN decision and found a solution to the problem by building a concrete wall around the occupied territory, which is more like a huge prison without a roof. The population of the autonomy is deprived of the civil rights inherent in citizens of the state and is a supplier of cheap labor. Isolating Palestinians in a concrete sack is very similar to the action of a state pursuing an apartheid policy. It would be another matter if the construction of this wall reflected a mutual agreement on the state border between Jews and Palestinians, but, unfortunately, there is no such agreement, and the location of the wall only secures the annexed territories for Israel, emphasizing aggressive intentions towards the Arabs, and most importantly, the wall acquires the meaning of another, additionally created, obstacle on the path to peace.
    In modern times, due to the war, Israel is experiencing serious problems in the field of construction, which has completely stopped, and in the declining production of agricultural products, the prices of which have increased by 50%. Israeli businessmen, accustomed to dealing with Palestinians from the autonomy, are not ready to pay much higher salaries to workers invited from abroad. Continuation of the war could lead to a catastrophic state of the economy.

    As I wrote earlier (1), the blame for the fact that there is a permanent war going on in the former Palestine lies entirely with the UN, which was obliged to foresee the confrontation that had occurred and first send troops to the stipulated border of the division of Palestine in accordance with the map.



    The attack by Palestinian terrorists on October 7, which initiated military action, also initiated an appeal by the world community to the cause of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Many Western politicians, including Biden, suddenly remembered a state for the Palestinians and began to speak out about its creation as the only way to end this half-century-old conflict. This circumstance leads to a very unpleasant conclusion, namely, if not for the Hamas terrorists, then no one would have mentioned the forgotten state for the Palestinians, although everyone had long known how to stop the bloodshed between Jews and Arabs, but remained silent so as not to irritate... .
    By the way, a few words about terrorists. The fact is that partisans also engage in terror; moreover, any war cannot do without mass terror, as a result of which civilians die. There is the same difference between terrorists and partisans as there is between spies and intelligence officers. (2.3)

    1. The UN's fatal mistake. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/106403.html
    2. International terrorism and its stakeholders. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/1904.html
    3. Terrorists or partisans? https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/105826.html

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    The Palestinian government of Gaza, Hamas, attacked Israel in a surprise offensive, a Pearl Harbor if you will, on October 7th. Unfortunately for Hamas their military component sucks at fighting wars.

    Israel took that declaration of war, mobilized their far superior army, and much like the US stomping on Japan, Israel stomped on Gaza, Hamas, and the Palestinians.

    It's stupid to go to war when you have no chance of winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    On October 7, 2023, Israel was subjected to a terrorist attack by Palestinians from Gaza,
    Nope. On October 7th, Israel was attacked yet again by Iran through proxies Al Qassam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    ... killed 1,200 people and took 242 hostages to Gaza.
    At that point it became a SWAT (law enforcement) action ... except Israel decided to disregard the Geneva Conventions, to seize the opportunity presented by Iran's attack and to impose collective punishment on thousands of Palestinian children by perpetrating a horrendous genocide against neighboring Arabs. Now Israel is the new Nazi state, engaged in committing Holocaust 2.0

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    The United States and the EU, on the one hand, condemned the actions of Palestinian terrorists
    Nope. They incorrectly condemned "Palestinians", and then began using the words "Hamas", "Gazan civilians" and "terrorists" interchangeably, legitimizing the slaughter of thousands of women and children who never attacked Israel. Collective punishment might very well be an atrocious war crime, but it is apparently OK if Israel does it. It is apparently OK for Israel to commit assassinations when such is condemned for every other country. Israel is enjoying the "eternal victim" good life.

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    ... and believe that Israel has the right to punish the Palestinians,
    See? You're doing it as well. Does Israel really have the right to inflict collective punishment on Palestinians? No, they most certainly do not.

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    ... they call on Israel to be more careful when dropping multi-ton bombs on Gaza, which has the largest population density in the world.
    Nope. Gaza does not have the world's highest population density.

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    Frankly, it’s amazing how a pilot dropping a bomb from a height can distinguish a terrorist from an ordinary citizen.
    It's a war crime to launch air strikes into public places, one count for each bomb. However, the crime of unlawful killing comes at one count per death.

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    After all, the Palestinians do not have a regular army with tanks, guns and planes.
    It doesn't matter. According to the Geneva Conventions, the moment the IDF entered Gaza, they incurred the full responsibility to protect every single civilian noncombatant. Each failure to do so is another count of war crimes committed.

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    In general, judging by the scale of the destroyed buildings, they were all inhabited by terrorists, and it should be noted that this is closer to the truth.
    Nope. There were no terrorists in those buildings. The IDF just wants to destroy everything built by Arabs and mock them in their misery. After destroying a structure (e.g. apartment building, hospital, school, etc.) the IDF would look for things amidst the rubble and declare "this was obviously a logistics center for Hamas, and probably a command center as well."




    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    As I wrote earlier (1), the blame for the fact that there is a permanent war going on in the former Palestine lies entirely with the UN,
    Nope. The blame lies squarely with the Semites, both Jewish and Arab, who completely HATE each other, who are each completely racist against the other, who virtue-signal their HATE to their fellow Semites, and who simply can't let go of even a shred of their HATE.

    What I don't see are 1) Arabs exterminating Israelis, or 2) the IDF invading Iran (who attacked Israel).
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
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    October 7, - cause and effect...a terrorist attack by Palestinians from Gaza... killed 1,200 people and took 242 hostages to Gaza.
    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The Palestinian government of Gaza, Hamas, attacked Israel in a surprise offensive, a Pearl Harbor if you will, on October 7th. Unfortunately for Hamas their military component sucks at fighting wars.

    Israel took that declaration of war, mobilized their far superior army, and much like the US stomping on Japan, Israel stomped on Gaza, Hamas, and the Palestinians.

    It's stupid to go to war when you have no chance of winning.
    Agreed....but no one said the Arabs or Hamas were very smart. They've been doing this for 75 fucking years and all they've done is given up more land. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Agreed....but no one said the Arabs or Hamas were very smart. They've been doing this for 75 fucking years and all they've done is given up more land. LOL
    More like about 500...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    More like about 500...
    That's a slightly different fight but agreed there's a lot of history in the area. You could also take it back over 2000 years to when the Abrahamic religion splintered off Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    That's a slightly different fight but agreed there's a lot of history in the area. You could also take it back over 2000 years to when the Abrahamic religion splintered off Christianity.
    Yep over 2000 years of inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, blood libel and the Shoah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guno צְבִי View Post
    Yep over 2000 years of inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, blood libel and the Shoah
    Lots of people who like to use religion as a weapon. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    More like about 500...
    Israel has not existed for 500 years. Palestinians have been losing land for 75 years. You might be able to extend that a little bit, but not to 500 years.

    There was a minor inflow of Jews to Palestine 500 years ago, with the expulsion of the Jews in 1492 from Spain, but that was tiny, and the Arabs did not lose much land over that.

    Honestly, I am confused by your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Israel has not existed for 500 years. Palestinians have been losing land for 75 years. You might be able to extend that a little bit, but not to 500 years.

    There was a minor inflow of Jews to Palestine 500 years ago, with the expulsion of the Jews in 1492 from Spain, but that was tiny, and the Arabs did not lose much land over that.

    Honestly, I am confused by your post.
    Before Israel, the Palestinians were committing terrorism against the British, and before them, the Ottomans, and before them, the Mongols, and before them, the Byzantines, and before them the Romans...

    You'd think they'd have learned how to successfully fight a war by now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    That's a slightly different fight but agreed there's a lot of history in the area. You could also take it back over 2000 years to when the Abrahamic religion splintered off Christianity.
    If you go back to around 329 BCE, when Alexander the Great conquered Israel and ended 700 years of jew wars. The Greeks protected the jews the same way the US empire protects the jews. It's called taking bribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Before Israel, the Palestinians were committing terrorism against the British, and before them, the Ottomans, and before them, the Mongols, and before them, the Byzantines, and before them the Romans...

    You'd think they'd have learned how to successfully fight a war by now...
    There are a few nonsensical parts of your post. Blaming the Palestinians for the Jewish uprising against the Romans is weird. The Jews lost Israel over that. The Second Temple was even destroyed. The Palestinians kept Palestine from that point to the late 1940's.

    The Muslims had a very successful set of wars with the Byzantines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There are a few nonsensical parts of your post. Blaming the Palestinians for the Jewish uprising against the Romans is weird.
    Dear, where did you find in my post in which I blamed the Jews for their rebellion against the Romans? It looks like you have a rich imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
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    Before Israel, the Palestinians were committing terrorism against the British, and before them, the Ottomans, and before them, the Mongols, and before them, the Byzantines, and before them the Romans...

    You'd think they'd have learned how to successfully fight a war by now...
    There are a few nonsensical parts of your post. Blaming the Palestinians for the Jewish uprising against the Romans is weird. The Jews lost Israel over that. The Second Temple was even destroyed. The Palestinians kept Palestine from that point to the late 1940's.

    The Muslims had a very successful set of wars with the Byzantines.
    Dear, where did you find in my post in which I blamed the Jews for their rebellion against the Romans? It looks like you have a rich imagination.
    Another Freudian slip, Terry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Bahshi View Post
    Alik Bahshi

    October 7, - cause and effect

    On October 7, 2023, Israel was subjected to a terrorist attack by Palestinians from Gaza, who, it must be said frankly, took advantage of the arrogance of Israeli border guards during the holidays, killed 1,200 people and took 242 hostages to Gaza. So, once again a war began again, which in duration exceeded 5 months and, despite the incomparable military superiority of Israel, continues to this day, claiming the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis.
    The United States and the EU, on the one hand, condemned the actions of Palestinian terrorists and believe that Israel has the right to punish the Palestinians, but at the same time they call on Israel to be more careful when dropping multi-ton bombs on Gaza, which has the largest population density in the world. Frankly, it’s amazing how a pilot dropping a bomb from a height can distinguish a terrorist from an ordinary citizen. After all, the Palestinians do not have a regular army with tanks, guns and planes. In general, judging by the scale of the destroyed buildings, they were all inhabited by terrorists, and it should be noted that this is closer to the truth. It is difficult to imagine that their residents would not wish the Israelis dead, given the conditions of their powerless existence under apartheid and the number of deaths from rockets, bombs and shells. I will not be wrong if I say that every Palestinian is a potential terrorist, including women.

    You don’t have to be particularly perspicacious not to understand why from the very first day of the formation of Israel in Palestine there has been a war between Jews and Arabs, and why martial law was introduced in Israel, which has not yet been lifted. The point is the demographic situation that arose immediately with the organization of the state for Jews. Israel cannot be a Jewish state if the majority of its citizens are Arabs. Therefore, expelled Palestinians emerged and became refugees scattered throughout the surrounding Arab countries. The remaining part of the Arab population of the former Palestine received Israeli citizenship, while most of the Palestinians were isolated in the autonomy, the territory of which, like shagreen leather, is shrinking from year to year.




    As a result of Israel's expansionist policy, the territory of the Palestinian Authority differs sharply from the territory of the Palestinian state, provided for by the well-known UN decision to create two states in place of Palestine for two peoples - Jewish and Arab. The Israeli government ignored the UN decision and found a solution to the problem by building a concrete wall around the occupied territory, which is more like a huge prison without a roof. The population of the autonomy is deprived of the civil rights inherent in citizens of the state and is a supplier of cheap labor. Isolating Palestinians in a concrete sack is very similar to the action of a state pursuing an apartheid policy. It would be another matter if the construction of this wall reflected a mutual agreement on the state border between Jews and Palestinians, but, unfortunately, there is no such agreement, and the location of the wall only secures the annexed territories for Israel, emphasizing aggressive intentions towards the Arabs, and most importantly, the wall acquires the meaning of another, additionally created, obstacle on the path to peace.
    In modern times, due to the war, Israel is experiencing serious problems in the field of construction, which has completely stopped, and in the declining production of agricultural products, the prices of which have increased by 50%. Israeli businessmen, accustomed to dealing with Palestinians from the autonomy, are not ready to pay much higher salaries to workers invited from abroad. Continuation of the war could lead to a catastrophic state of the economy.

    As I wrote earlier (1), the blame for the fact that there is a permanent war going on in the former Palestine lies entirely with the UN, which was obliged to foresee the confrontation that had occurred and first send troops to the stipulated border of the division of Palestine in accordance with the map.



    The attack by Palestinian terrorists on October 7, which initiated military action, also initiated an appeal by the world community to the cause of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Many Western politicians, including Biden, suddenly remembered a state for the Palestinians and began to speak out about its creation as the only way to end this half-century-old conflict. This circumstance leads to a very unpleasant conclusion, namely, if not for the Hamas terrorists, then no one would have mentioned the forgotten state for the Palestinians, although everyone had long known how to stop the bloodshed between Jews and Arabs, but remained silent so as not to irritate... .
    By the way, a few words about terrorists. The fact is that partisans also engage in terror; moreover, any war cannot do without mass terror, as a result of which civilians die. There is the same difference between terrorists and partisans as there is between spies and intelligence officers. (2.3)

    1. The UN's fatal mistake. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/106403.html
    2. International terrorism and its stakeholders. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/1904.html
    3. Terrorists or partisans? https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/105826.html

    02/21/2024
    Here's the thing, the Palestinians need to grow up put on their big girl panties and recognize Israel exists and will continue exist. They can scream, yell, pout and generally act like petulant children but it wont change a thing. Now they COULD accept the fact Israel isn't going anywhere and work with their larger heavily armed neighbor to make life better for Palestinians, but will they? I doubt it. So they get what they deserve.
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