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    Default France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

    2 greedy European economic power houses.
    Why won't Europe pay for its own defense?


    "Two founding states – France and Germany – both missed the mark at 1.9% and 1.57%, despite being economic leaders in the alliance."

    Countries that refuse to pay up ... and demand Americans foot the bill ...
    France (1.9 %)
    Montenegro (1.87 %)
    North Macedonia (1.87 %)
    Bulgaria (1.84 %)
    Croatia (1.79 %)
    Albania (1.76 %)
    Netherlands (1.7 %)
    Norway (1.67 %)
    Denmark (1.65 %)
    Germany (1.57 %)
    Czech Republic (1.5 %)
    Portugal (1.48 %)
    Italy (1.46 %)
    Canada (1.38 %)
    Slovenia (1.35 %)
    Turkey (1.31 %)
    Spain (1.26 %)
    Belgium (1.26 %)

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/13/map-s...dget-20269340/
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    Where's your link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Where's your link?
    1.36% of his posts are factual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Where's your link?
    Fixed it.

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/13/map-s...dget-20269340/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Did Trump lie when he said he got them to pay their share?

    So you agree with the sleazebag Trump that we should be egging on Putin to invade western Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    So you agree with the sleazebag Trump that we should be e egging on Putin to invade western Europe.
    Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


    "Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...ay%20of%201991.
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    These greedy socialist Euro pigs hate Americans. They steal from Americans.

    They give the middle finger to Ukrainians and Americans The Euro pigs kiss Pootie's ass and fund his war.


    "Pipeline gas: The EU was the largest buyer (purchasing 43% of Russia's pipeline gas), closely followed by Turkey (27%) and China (21%). No sanctions are imposed on Russian gas via pipeline into the EU.Aug 22, 2023"

    https://energyandcleanair.org/july-2...nto%20the%20EU.


    And Biden wants to halt New U.S. LNG production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Where's your link?
    It’s there, something called “metro,” which humorously, describes itself as “NEWS... BUT NOT AS YOU KNOW IT,” typical “big chiwawa”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


    "Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...ay%20of%201991.
    So Trump lied when he claimed credit for getting them to pay their share

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


    "Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...ay%20of%201991.
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    Magats continue to be stupid so will decode this for them.

    France and Germany meeting Nato obligations ONLY MEANS they would spend more of their budget on their own defense and weapons. There is no fund to be paid or debt owed.

    Since the Russia War on Ukraine, France and Germany, and the rest of the EU have supplied the bulk of CASH to Ukraine. America has sent the most weapons but France, Germany and the rest of EU have given the most cash.


    That CASH helps Ukraine far more to fight Russia, than France and Germany upping their troops and spending on their military. So in a time of extreme budget pressures, such as Putin's war has created in Europe it is far more strategic for France and Germany to prioritize giving Ukraine cash.

    If the EU was going to fight in Ukraine, and defend them that way, you could argue then spending that money on their own military would make more sense, but that is not the case.


    So derps gonna derp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


    "Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...ay%20of%201991.
    What part of the treaty is Germany breaking?
    You seem confused as to what is actually in the treaty vs what other items have been created and agreed to by NATO members.

    Nothing in the treaty says any country has to spend 2% of it's GDP on defense.
    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive...exts_17120.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


    "Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...ay%20of%201991.
    Take your fake binary out of here that if they do not pay to up their own defense we should then push an enemy to attack them.

    Trump continues to show he will betray each and every American ideal and he hates every foundation America was built upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
    Link?
    This one clearly isn't factual since no one is breaking the treaty by not spending 2% or more of their GDP on defense.
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