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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    It had already started. Do you think they'd have immediately stopped? If they could have heard it.
    yes. clearly.

    The shift to a blood lust to kill Mike Pence was pretty much instant, when Trump incited them to do so. Had he instead said in that same moment, "Mike Pence and Congress are doing the right thing and following the Constitution. We need all of you to stand down and not attack and let the constitutional process take place', it would have almost certainly seen his mob back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QP! View Post
    yes. clearly.

    The shift to a blood lust to kill Mike Pence was pretty much instant, when Trump incited them to do so. Had he instead said in that same moment, "Mike Pence and Congress are doing the right thing and following the Constitution. We need all of you to stand down and not attack and let the constitutional process take place', it would have almost certainly seen his mob back down.
    Do you seriously think they'd have killed Pence? I seriously doubt they would. How would he contact them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Do you seriously think they'd have killed Pence? I seriously doubt they would. How would he contact them?
    Yes. That was clearly the plan. Without Pence and top Democrats, the election count would be stopped and couldn't be restarted until they were replaced. In the mean time, Trump would have declared martial law using the military to quell protests and the militias as his personal guard.

    Why do you think the militias haven't sought revenge for Trump's betrayal of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Do you seriously think they'd have killed Pence? I seriously doubt they would. How would he contact them?
    RB you are one who has been thorough propagandized by magat media. In your mind the attack on the Capital was simply '2 people milling around' as you have rewired your brain to forget the extreme amount of violence.

    Yes WE ALL seriously should believe there was a very real chance, had the mob got a hold of Pence, that they would have killed him. Hung him. History has shown us how incited and excited mobs tend to do things they individually would not do, and how more violent individuals in the mob can whip up others into feeling justified.

    The way Trump would contact them was the EXACT SAME WAY he contacted them and they INSTANTLY reacted by suddenly gaining a blood lust to Hang Mike Pence. They were watching for Trump instructions by Tweet and reacting instantly to them.

    You saw this play out in real time RB, but again due to propaganda you are willfully forgetting it. The mob went from saying 'We hope Pence does the right thing... we are counting on Pence to do the right thing' to 'Hang Mike Pence' based on one Trump tweet.


    If you believe Trump did not want this attack, and that this was just 'bad rioters, doing what bad rioters do' and 'don't blame Trump', then you should also have expectations that Trump, seeing what the 'bad rioters' were doing and how they were threatening his VP, would have instead tweeted, 'Mike Pence is doing the right thing... we all need to stand down'.

    There is no reason to believe that would not have had the power to quell the mob in the same way Trumps actually tweet turned them to murderous intent. If you accept a POTUS swore an oath to protect the Constitution then he is OBLIGATED to try and deescalate the mob, and not incite them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Yes. That was clearly the plan. Without Pence and top Democrats, the election count would be stopped and couldn't be restarted until they were replaced. In the mean time, Trump would have declared martial law using the military to quell protests and the militias as his personal guard.

    Why do you think the militias haven't sought revenge for Trump's betrayal of them?
    That is part but it was more than that.

    If Pence and the Senate cannot complete the Count, for any reasons, the Constitution requires it be sent to the House for a Contingent Election vote. The Republi'cans' held the most votes, in that instance, and if they stuck together they would vote Trump as POTUS again.


    The dem's would then run to the SC, crying unfair, but the Constitution gives the SC no role in this process. Separation of Powers says this is handled by Congress. First by Pence and the count. And the back up to any indecision is the Contingent Election.

    So even if the SC defied the Constitution (which they might do) and ruled against the Contingent Election anyway, saying some version of 'Pence and the Senate must have the ability to redo and certify the State Electors', Trump and his position was to be the SC has no Constitutional role here, the House has voted and COnstitution has been followed. We are not leaving power.

    And Trump wanted the Constitutional crisis.

    So say, the Military and other would not support Trump, but in fact, he would be right about him winning via the Constitutional process. The problem is no one contemplated a rogue Potus blocking the Senate vote, that he knew he lost, to trigger a House vote, he believed he could win.

    That is something that would have to be handled by impeachment, which Trump knew would not get thru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QP! View Post
    That is part but it was more than that.

    If Pence and the Senate cannot complete the Count, for any reasons, the Constitution requires it be sent to the House for a Contingent Election vote. The Republi'cans' held the most votes, in that instance, and if they stuck together they would vote Trump as POTUS again.


    The dem's would then run to the SC, crying unfair, but the Constitution gives the SC no role in this process. Separation of Powers says this is handled by Congress. First by Pence and the count. And the back up to any indecision is the Contingent Election.

    So even if the SC defied the Constitution (which they might do) and ruled against the Contingent Election anyway, saying some version of 'Pence and the Senate must have the ability to redo and certify the State Electors', Trump and his position was to be the SC has no Constitutional role here, the House has voted and COnstitution has been followed. We are not leaving power.

    And Trump wanted the Constitutional crisis.

    So say, the Military and other would not support Trump, but in fact, he would be right about him winning via the Constitutional process. The problem is no one contemplated a rogue Potus blocking the Senate vote, that he knew he lost, to trigger a House vote, he believed he could win.

    That is something that would have to be handled by impeachment, which Trump knew would not get thru.
    Trump is a traitor and he's backed by the majority of Republicans who are MAGAts, both in Congress and on JPP.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Trump is a traitor and he's backed by the majority of Republicans who are MAGAts, both in Congress and on JPP.
    BREAKING: Trump gets brutal news as CNN reports that “in today’s hearing, New York judge just rejected his motion to throw out charges brought by Manhattan’s district attorney in the criminal hush money probe.”

    But it gets WAY worse for Trump…

    The judge also ruled that Trump “will face his first criminal trial with jury selection on March 25 in New York,” which will give ample time for Trump to be found guilty — and even be sent to prison — before the election in November.

    The CNN report continues, revealing that “the decision comes as other criminal charges against Trump in other states have yet to be scheduled, as they are going through with pre-trial motions and being challenged in court. The trial will come in the middle of the ramp up to the general election. Trump was indicted by a grand jury last March on 34 counts of falsifying business records to commit or conceal another crime” when he “engaged in a cover up scheme to hide reimbursement payments made to his former attorney, Michael Cohen who had paid hush money to adult film star Stormy Daniels to stop her from going public about a past affair with Trump before the 2016 presidential election.

    Accountability season is now officially under way — and there’s now no delaying the inevitable.

    Donald Trump will likely be found guilty giving the mountain of incriminating evidence against him — and he may well soon become the first presidential candidate in American history to run a presidential campaign from the cold, dark confines of a prison cell.

    Tick, tock, Donald Trump…
    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    BREAKING: Trump gets brutal news as CNN reports that “in today’s hearing, New York judge just rejected his motion to throw out charges brought by Manhattan’s district attorney in the criminal hush money probe.”

    But it gets WAY worse for Trump…

    The judge also ruled that Trump “will face his first criminal trial with jury selection on March 25 in New York,” which will give ample time for Trump to be found guilty — and even be sent to prison — before the election in November.

    The CNN report continues, revealing that “the decision comes as other criminal charges against Trump in other states have yet to be scheduled, as they are going through with pre-trial motions and being challenged in court. The trial will come in the middle of the ramp up to the general election. Trump was indicted by a grand jury last March on 34 counts of falsifying business records to commit or conceal another crime” when he “engaged in a cover up scheme to hide reimbursement payments made to his former attorney, Michael Cohen who had paid hush money to adult film star Stormy Daniels to stop her from going public about a past affair with Trump before the 2016 presidential election.

    Accountability season is now officially under way — and there’s now no delaying the inevitable.

    Donald Trump will likely be found guilty giving the mountain of incriminating evidence against him — and he may well soon become the first presidential candidate in American history to run a presidential campaign from the cold, dark confines of a prison cell.

    Tick, tock, Donald Trump…
    Trump deserves prison, but due to several issues, I doubt he'll actually live behind bars. House arrest and financially breaking him may be the best justice Americans can hope for this criminal and traitor.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Your analogy was stupid.

    Some people disobeyed Pres. Trump. Period.

    Your insurrection conspiracy theory is stupid.
    They disobeyed him and even when trump saw that the disobedience led to his supporter's murder, he still didn't make an immediate public statement demanding that they cease and desist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Babbitt was murdered by the State.

    The violent actors did not obey Pres. Trump's words. Period.




    "Ashli Babbitt's family files $30 million lawsuit over Jan. 6 ...


    CBS News
    Jan 5, 2024 — The family of a 35-year-old California woman who was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer during the Jan. 6 insurrection has filed a $30 ..."
    The State didn't call for a dangerous riot that put lives a stake. It was your orange Messiah who did it, and refused to call it off when his supporter was killed. Just own it already and put the blame where it really belongs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    It had already started. Do you think they'd have immediately stopped? If they could have heard it.
    They did immediately stop, when trump came out and addressed them after three hours of mayhem. trump could have used loudspeakers at any time during the riot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    They did immediately stop, when trump came out and addressed them after three hours of mayhem. trump could have used loudspeakers at any time during the riot.
    If Trump wanted to stop it, why did he want to be leading the charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    If Trump wanted to stop it, why did he want to be leading the charge?
    Excellent point! We know he had a tantrum and manhandled the driver who refused to take him to the Capitol with the rioters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Excellent point! We know he had a tantrum and manhandled the driver who refused to take him to the Capitol with the rioters.
    Exactly. What was the plan? To tell his army to stop??? Of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Exactly. What was the plan? To tell his army to stop??? Of course not.
    I laugh Everytime I hear MAGA morons trying to whitewash Jan 6. First they said it was peaceful. Then they said it was FBI, BLM and Antifa.
    Now after seeing all the videos and arrests, they're still trying to float that boat.
    They must think the rest of America is as gullible as they are.
    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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