A brief history of Hell

[ZenMode]

God is morality.

Based on what, because you can't point to his behavior and claim that?

The problem is people like you think decisions shouldnt have consequences but unfortunately every decision has consequences. And anytime you're held to the consequences of your decisions you strike out like a petulant child.

I fully support laws and law enforcement to enforce those laws.

[Doc Dutch]

I'm pointing out that God isn't the beacon of morality that Christians believe he is. He's a most proficient serial killer in history.

Why would you write off drowning the world, Passover, etc but not write off other stories or, for that matter, the entirety of the Bible in the same way you would write off The Iliad and Odyssey as fiction written by man?

Once again affirming both your belief and your hatred of the Christian God. LOL

There's the OT and the NT. It depends upon the "story" in question since the Bible is more than just stories. The Iliad and Odyssey contain both fact and legend. Separating the two is important since simply lumping them as all fiction or all fact would be an error. Same goes for any ancient text regardless of how much you love or hate it, 'Mode.

[Yakuda]

Based on what, because you can't point to his behavior and claim that?

I fully support laws and law enforcement to enforce those laws.

Based on the fact that your morality is shit.

Like baby killing? Stfu

[ZenMode]

Based on the fact that your morality is shit.

Like baby killing? Stfu

What do you know about my morality?

[Yakuda]

What do you know about my morality?

You support abortion?

[ZenMode]

Once again affirming both your belief and your hatred of the Christian God. LOL

There's the OT and the NT. It depends upon the "story" in question since the Bible is more than just stories. The Iliad and Odyssey contain both fact and legend. Separating the two is important since simply lumping them as all fiction or all fact would be an error. Same goes for any ancient text regardless of how much you love or hate it, 'Mode.

I don't hate the Christian God any more than I hate the God of any other religion. That would be like hating Santa Clause.

Based on what criteria do you separate the facts from fiction in the Bible and why would God allow false information into the Bible?

[Doc Dutch]

I don't hate the Christian God any more than I hate the God of any other religion. That would be like hating Santa Clause.

Based on what criteria do you separate the facts from fiction in the Bible and why would God allow false information into the Bible?

Your posts indicate a lot of emotional commitment to hating God. Specifically, the Christian God since you keep using that phrase. Not the Muslim God, not the Jewish God, but the "Christian God". It's an odd hate too since the "Christian God" is the God of Jesus, the God of Peace and Love. Only someone persecuted by Christians would hate the "Christian God". In my experience, that's always been gays, transgenders and transexuals. Are you any of those, 'Mode?

Unless you're going to say that the homicidal stories in the Bible are simply made up, there's no reason to believe that the Christian God is not a homicidal maniac.

If you took out the reference to the Christian god and plugged in Zeus into the same story, I would say that same thing to a person who believed in Zeus.

[Cypress]

Based on what criteria do you separate the facts from fiction in the Bible and why would God allow false information into the Bible?

Weird that you are a strict biblical literalist. Only fire and brimstone fundamentalists tend to be strict biblical literalists.

Odd that an atheist would adopt the strict biblical literalism of small minority of world Christianity.

The Christian tradition I grew up in barely cares about the Old Testament, other than the fact that it supposedly has prophecies about Jesus, and it has iconic the Decalogue. The stories in the Torah, the Jewish ritual laws, the Jewish histories filling up the TaNakh either barely apply to christians, or are widely considered allegorical.

[Doc Dutch]

Weird that you are a strict biblical literalist. Only fire and brimstone fundamentalists tend to be strict biblical literalists.

Odd that an atheist would adopt the strict biblical literalism of small minority of world Christianity.

The Christian tradition I grew up in barely cares about the Old Testament, other than the fact that it supposedly has prophecies about Jesus, and it has iconic the Decalogue. The stories in the Torah, the Jewish ritual laws, the Jewish histories filling up the TaNakh either barely apply to christians, or are widely considered allegorical.

Agreed on the observations. 'Mode seems to have a special hatred for Christians and all their denominations. Notice he never mentions the gods of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism.

[Cypress]

Agreed on the observations. 'Mode seems to have a special hatred for Christians and all their denominations. Notice he never mentions the gods of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism.

Buddhism had it's own fantastical myths and gruesome punishments in Hell.

My judgement is that most message board atheists are not actually impartial and detached irreligious individuals. They aren't actually atheists. They are crusading anti-christian zealots.

[Doc Dutch]

Buddhism had it's own fantastical myths and gruesome punishments in Hell.

My judgement is that most message board atheists are not actually impartial and detached irreligious individuals. They aren't actually atheists. They are crusading anti-christian zealots.

That's an excellent description of the type.

I've been on both an atheist ("Secular") forum and a Christian one. The Christian forum banned anyone who farted sideways so I left before being permbanned. The secular one had a lot of Brits along with American militants who leaned in varying degrees of militantism. It was a much more fun experience that introduced me to a world in which I've never been. Some of the members blamed me for its eventual collapse but that was because the owner was terminally ill and died about the time I was banned. Some people don't like being told they are hypocrites and fucking morons. LOL

That was all over 10 years ago and I've mellowed a lot since.

[ZenMode]

Weird that you are a strict biblical literalist. Only fire and brimstone fundamentalists tend to be strict biblical literalists.

Odd that an atheist would adopt the strict biblical literalism of small minority of world Christianity.

The Christian tradition I grew up in barely cares about the Old Testament, other than the fact that it supposedly has prophecies about Jesus, and it has iconic the Decalogue. The stories in the Torah, the Jewish ritual laws, the Jewish histories filling up the TaNakh either barely apply to christians, or are widely considered allegorical.

Of course the OT isn't a focus of churches, except of course Genesis and Psalms and Noah...and Passover. Few churches want to talk honestly about God's OT behavior. The NT stuff is much more paletable.

[Doc Dutch]

Of course the OT isn't a focus of churches, except of course Genesis and Psalms and Noah...and Passover. Few churches want to talk honestly about God's OT behavior. The NT stuff is much more paletable.

Probably because, unlike you, they understand it's mankind's perception of God, not God's true nature.

[Cypress]

That's an excellent description of the type.

I've been on both an atheist ("Secular") forum and a Christian one. The Christian forum banned anyone who farted sideways so I left before being permbanned. The secular one had a lot of Brits along with American militants who leaned in varying degrees of militantism. It was a much more fun experience that introduced me to a world in which I've never been. Some of the members blamed me for its eventual collapse but that was because the owner was terminally ill and died about the time I was banned. Some people don't like being told they are hypocrites and fucking morons. LOL

That was all over 10 years ago and I've mellowed a lot since.

Good times.

This is mellow for you?

I generally don't expect fruitful knowledge exchange with either the Megachurch Fundamentalists or the League of Militant Atheists, because they both tend to be extremely dogmatic and close minded.

The most fruitful avenues of reflection for me have frequently been from exposure with the free thinking and impartial atheists, agnostics, pantheists, aka Einstein, Niel Degrasse Tyson, Bart Ehrman, et al.

[BidenPresident]

Buddhism had it's own fantastical myths and gruesome punishments in Hell.

My judgement is that most message board atheists are not actually impartial and detached irreligious individuals. They aren't actually atheists. They are crusading anti-christian zealots.

My judgment is that everything I believe is correct. Funny, eh?