Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom Agree to Televised Debate

[Hawkeye10]

If the Revolution had any smarts they would make the death jabs illegal right now, so that if a lot of people end up dead they could plausibly blame it all on Trump....but of course they are not.

[Jarod]

No, and I believe that even if they want to at this point replacing Biden will be difficult with any person other than Kamala due to the fact of what I would call her "intersectional value"... Newsom is low on that value chart, White Guys Have It Good, is the message we hear all the time.

Anyway, I think that if the DNC doesn't change and start supporting a primary very soon they will have backed themselves into a corner and the only pathway out with a candidate other than pResident Biden or Kamala will be between Scylla and Charybdis.

I agree, I do not think a lot of Democrats are looking for a "way out". I know you disagree but I think objectively Biden has done a very good job, especially from a Democrats perspective.

[Hawkeye10]

I agree, I do not think a lot of Democrats are looking for a "way out". I know you disagree but I think objectively Biden has done a very good job, especially from a Democrats perspective.

You FantasyLand Creatures will be shoved into reality sooner rather than later.

This will be very painful for you.

[Damocles]

I agree, I do not think a lot of Democrats are looking for a "way out". I know you disagree but I think objectively Biden has done a very good job, especially from a Democrats perspective.

The reality: https://nypost.com/2023/08/01/half-o...th-trump-poll/

Half of Dems want someone else. You, and the other blue dog Dems, may think that way, but half want someone else, and that number is not getting smaller as time rolls on.

Although Biden is a near-certainty to be nominated for a second term next summer, only 45% of likely primary voters want the 80-year-old to be the party’s standard-bearer, while 50% want someone else, according to the New York Times/Siena College survey out Tuesday.

A plurality of Democrats who don’t want Biden renominated (39%) say their aversion is due to his advanced age, while another 20% say he hasn’t done a good enough job to earn a second term. Still another 14% said they would prefer someone new.

[Jarod]

I think her brain does function and that's a plus, however her popularity among the voters is lower than Biden's and he has around 70% of the nation thinking someone else should run. I think Kamala is a better choice than Biden, but I don't think she's a winning option.

I dont know if she is a winning options or not, but I do not pay attention to polling data for such reason, modern polling is very measurable and has proven very inaccurate...

Biden has put together a very good team that has done a lot of good for America. He has stayed away from wedge issues and has not injected himself into the national discussion on issues. He or his people have not gotten us into any wars but very effectively led the coalition to hold Russia to its borders.

My best guess is that Biden beats Trump by even more than last time if they turn out to be the nominees, which looks like the most likely senario.

[Jarod]

You FantasyLand Creatures will be shoved into reality sooner rather than later.

This will be very painful for you.

Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

[Jarod]

The reality: https://nypost.com/2023/08/01/half-o...th-trump-poll/

Half of Dems want someone else. You, and the other blue dog Dems, may think that way, but half want someone else, and that number is not getting smaller as time rolls on.

Like I said, I dont put a lot of faith in modern day polling. I want someone else, but I am generally out of step with most Democrats. Id be interested in what likely primary voters say, but I do not know how one would poll that accurately these days.

[Damocles]

Like I said, I dont put a lot of faith in modern day polling. I want someone else, but I am generally out of step with most Democrats. Id be interested in what likely primary voters say, but I do not know how one would poll that accurately these days.

Unfortunately, your primary voters have been silenced. They will not get to do the one accurate poll type, you know using democracy they would vote. Your party has ensured no democratic processes will be utilized when selecting the nominee of your party.

[Jarod]

Unfortunately, your primary voters have been silenced. They will not get to do the one accurate poll type, you know using democracy they would vote. Your party has ensured no democratic processes will be utilized when selecting the nominee of your party.

Are you pretending that does not happen with both major parties when there is a sitting president?

I agree its bad, but its both parties that do it, and you know it. Pretend otherwise if you wish.

[ptif219]

DeSantis is boooooring. His speech is slow and numbing. The Reds are into show business loud types like Daffy Donald. Desantis is down in the polls because he has been exposed. The campaign has lost him some of his following.

DeSamtis is still number 2 but this is not about the election

[ptif219]

That will be so much more interesting than the Republican primary "Debates".

I hope so tonight was not a very good debate

[ptif219]

It’s the prelude to 2028, both individuals see it as promoting their own ambitions

It is because they do not like each other

[ptif219]

DeSanctimonious thinks Trump will not be able to run, or his crimes will cripple him. He wants to be the option.
Newsom is much better at speaking and thinking.

DeSantis will kill Newsome

[Hawkeye10]

[Hawkeye10]

So many people who tend to be right, the best proof of education, believe that Newsom has been picked.