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    Quote Originally Posted by QP! View Post
    Actually there is a bit more to it than that.

    The Trumps argued the property was actually BELOW assessed value as they had given all sorts of conditions on buying it that it would never be developed or severed, etc. They got the value lowered for tax purposes.

    Then they turned around to banks and said it was worth 2800% more.
    Right.

    We all know it went both ways. I didn’t see that this particular suit involved the devaluation for property tax purposes. I thought it was about the fraudulent activities involving inflated values to obtain loans. But, it could be both. Next week’s trial portion will probably clear that up for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    It refers to my lack of understanding how or why people continue to support Trump. You said it was because I "lack self awareness."


    I am asking, why my lack of self awareness causes 55% of Republicans to support Trump?
    They believe he's the target of the weaponizing of the US government against political opponents of one party. Those folks who believe that are part of a movement rejecting what they believe to be a miscarriage of justice. Basically, the "indict him lots" method worked to get him at the top of the primary polling. These indictments have created a movement that, at this moment, appears difficult (if not impossible) to stop. That only 55% are supporting him tells me that there are folks who disagree and have not joined this movement, but it seems to be growing, not shrinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    They believe he's the target of the weaponizing of the US government against political opponents of one party. Those folks who believe that are part of a movement rejecting what they believe to be a miscarriage of justice. Basically, the "indict him lots" method worked to get him at the top of the primary polling. These indictments have created a movement that, at this moment, appears difficult (if not impossible) to stop. That only 55% are supporting him tells me that there are folks who disagree and have not joined this movement, but it seems to be growing, not shrinking.
    So, to you, is it possible any of the indictments of Trump are legitimate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    So, to you, is it possible any of the indictments of Trump are legitimate?
    It is possible. But then I am not voting for Trump under any circumstances. These folks that believe that way will not even be swayed by a guilty verdict. Though that will not likely happen before the election happens, it takes too long to get a trial nowadays for this to be decided by verdicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    It is possible. But then I am not voting for Trump under any circumstances.
    All Trump supporters say that. I mean, you gave a defense of Trump that is standard for his supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    All Trump supporters say that. I mean, you gave a defense of Trump that is standard for his supporters.
    I informed him of what those folks who support him are thinking as he asked for that information. Since I know some of them and can listen I am able to give him knowledge he would otherwise lack. And no, Trump supporters do not say they will not vote for him under any circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I informed him of what those folks who support him are thinking as he asked for that information. Since I know some of them and can listen I am able to give him knowledge he would otherwise lack. And no, Trump supporters do not say they will not vote for him under any circumstances.
    Nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Nice try.
    BribempResident, you are a real "winner".
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    BribempResident, you are a real "winner".
    I wish you would not act like a baby. Other members think it validates childish behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    They believe he's the target of the weaponizing of the US government against political opponents of one party. Those folks who believe that are part of a movement rejecting what they believe to be a miscarriage of justice. Basically, the "indict him lots" method worked to get him at the top of the primary polling. These indictments have created a movement that, at this moment, appears difficult (if not impossible) to stop. That only 55% are supporting him tells me that there are folks who disagree and have not joined this movement, but it seems to be growing, not shrinking.
    But believing that suggests a lack of mental health or intellectual intelligence that I thought was less common in our culture. The goal was not to stop him politically but for the rule of law to prevail. We all knew the indictments would have this effect politically, but justice is worth that.

    I am simply shocked by the lack of reality so many Americans live in.

    The Criminal justice system does not operate on politics, but on practicality and an attempt at justice.

    These people are simply ignorant and I have a hard time accepting that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The 21st century Democratic party would never, under any circumstances, allow someone who was found legally liable for sexual assault and business fraud to be their leading candidate for the presidential nomination.
    It is as good as they have. The cupboard is empty. The debates show how bad a condition the Republican Party is in. The winner is the one who does not bother to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    cnn.com

    Judge in NY rules Trump Organization to be dissolved.
    I still don’t see how fraudulently overvaluing personal assets hurt the state of NY. The business is family owned.
    In fact, I’d think that would cause paying higher property taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I still don’t see how fraudulently overvaluing personal assets hurt the state of NY. The business is family owned.
    In fact, I’d think that would cause paying higher property taxes.
    It appears that it's a crime of fraud in NY. Trump can appeal.

    IMO, regardless of the laws in any state, it's best not to willfully and repeatedly violate them. Only fucking morons do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I still don’t see how fraudulently overvaluing personal assets hurt the state of NY. The business is family owned.
    In fact, I’d think that would cause paying higher property taxes.
    It was against the law, not required to prove it hurt the state of NY.

    Fraud is harmful, it hurt the banks, it hurt others competing for that same loans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    It was against the law, not required to prove it hurt the state of NY.

    Fraud is harmful, it hurt the banks, it hurt others competing for that same loans.
    Never expect a MAGAt supporter to agree with a law that goes against Herr Trump.
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