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    We need health care reform now because:

    The US will spend over 2.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2009, totaling 17.6 percent of GDP. 17.6 percent of GDP for health care is dramatically more than other industrialized nations spend - and they have universal health care.

    Wasteful and inefficient spending in the U.S. health care system adds up to roughly $700 billion a year - costing nearly as much as the recent recovery package.

    Health care costs for small businesses have grown by 30% since 2000.

    A study published in the Journal of Labor Economics found that a 20 percent increase in health care costs for U.S. employers results in 3.5 million American jobs lost.

    U.S. manufacturers spend more per hour on health care than their competitors in Canada, Japan and the UK combined.

    When the uninsured can’t pay for doctor and hospital visits and have no where else to turn, the cost is shifted to those who have insurance coverage.

    As many as 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.

    America can’t afford to wait on health care reform.

    We can act. The president and Congress have a plan to lower your costs and stop denials for pre-existing conditions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKJi...layer_embedded

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    The other nations spend less because they rely on our more free economy to generate innovation.

    Now the idiots want to kill the golden goose.

    Price fixing is not a real "strategy", i hope you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    The other nations spend less because they rely on our more free economy to generate innovation.

    Now the idiots want to kill the golden goose.

    Price fixing is not a real "strategy", i hope you know.
    I'd be glad to see some factual evidence to support your contentions.

    I'll wait.

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    funny we need to spend more now because we spend to much. Try that at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNC View Post
    I'd be glad to see some factual evidence to support your contentions.

    I'll wait.
    http://www.680news.com/news/more.jsp...16_080036_4700

    Health care system imploding according to Canada's top doctor
    680News staff with a report from the Canadian Press 2009-08-16 15:45
    The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says the health-care system is imploding and doctors have to develop a plan to cure it.

    Dr. Anne Doig says the care being provided to patients right now is less than optimal.

    Doig says doctors, who are gathering in Saskatoon for their annual meeting, recognize that changes must be made.

    The pitch for change starts today with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the association's outgoing president.

    He has called for a patient-centred system.

    Ouellet has said that could mean a role for private health care delivery within the public system.

    It could also mean changes so health facilities get money based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual lump sum.

    Doig says she doesn't know what blueprint will emerge when the meeting wraps up Wednesday, she says there are some good things about health care, but Canadians will see evidence the current system is not sustainable without change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNC View Post
    I'd be glad to see some factual evidence to support your contentions.

    I'll wait.
    Sounds like maineman. LOL

    "I'll wait."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    funny we need to spend more now because we spend to much. Try that at home.
    If you throw a dance at some point you have to pay the band.
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    Obama has lots of good ideas to reform health care.
    Problem is his linchpins aren't among them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    If you throw a dance at some point you have to pay the band.
    Perhaps you have heard of these new-fangled portable gramophone devices which negate the need for real live musicians at hoe-downs and square dances?



    I'm told they are all the rage amongst the young shavers of the parish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charver View Post
    Perhaps you have heard of these new-fangled portable gramophone devices which negate the need for real live musicians at hoe-downs and square dances?



    I'm told they are all the rage amongst the young shavers of the parish.
    In that instance you pay the band when you buy the vinyl. I wish the government would get one of those rather than always having to do it live...
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    In that instance you pay the band when you buy the vinyl. I wish the government would get one of those rather than always having to do it live...
    and that way, we could get the same answer twice in a row....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNC View Post
    We need health care reform now because:

    The US will spend over 2.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2009, totaling 17.6 percent of GDP. 17.6 percent of GDP for health care is dramatically more than other industrialized nations spend - and they have universal health care.

    Are you claiming that the US government will spend 2.5 trillion on health care? If the government would let the people take care of themselves, they wouldn't spend a freekin' nickle on healthcare....all they gotta do is mind their own business to save 2.5 trillion...



    Wasteful and inefficient spending in the U.S. health care system adds up to roughly $700 billion a year - costing nearly as much as the recent recovery package.

    The government has a problem with waste and inefficiency? No shit...it always did and it always will because it has TOO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND....government workers are takers and will sit on their asses and not work at all if they can get away with it....

    Health care costs for small businesses have grown by 30% since 2000.

    Not a government problem is it...its a problem for business to overcome

    A study published in the Journal of Labor Economics found that a 20 percent increase in health care costs for U.S. employers results in 3.5 million American jobs lost.

    Left wing liberal spin to convince us a problem actually exists or is bigger than it really is.......High taxes on business cause more lost jobs than health care costs of business....

    U.S. manufacturers spend more per hour on health care than their competitors in Canada, Japan and the UK combined.

    When the uninsured can’t pay for doctor and hospital visits and have no where else to turn, the cost is shifted to those who have insurance coverage.

    Then the uninsured should be liable for the costs and be forced to pay as much as they can as long as it takes them to pay....I'm sure they probably have auto insurance, cable tv and cell phones...it the government needs to subsidize the poor to help pay a part of insurance, thats fine...that doesn't require a complete takeover of the healthcare industry ...

    As many as 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.

    A problem for 1.5 million families shouldn't require a the remaining 350,000,000 citizens getting involved....if government must help 1.5 million then leave the rest of us alone...

    America can’t afford to wait on health care reform.

    We can act. The president and Congress have a plan to lower your costs and stop denials for pre-existing conditions.

    Another problem that doesn't require the remaining 350,000,000 citizens getting involved

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKJi...layer_embedded
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNC View Post
    I'd be glad to see some factual evidence to support your contentions.

    I'll wait.
    That's right. Nobody ever comes to the u.s. for better access or advanced procedures. Nor do they use innovations developed with cash derived from the american market. you're right.

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