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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Really? Do you other conservatives have trouble following my posts? With the exception of a few really long ones, my posts have been pretty succinct.
    Bootstraps - "I can't reach them"......succinct.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demwit View Post
    What and raise insurance rates with frivilous lawsuits?

    You change shoes so much we should call you Imelda.

    Idjit if it is in your company sponsored insurance policy you cannot sue, just bend over and take it.
    My policies are remarkably consistent, sorry. Why would you buy a policy that didn't cover your condition? *shrug*

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    Oh lookie, more provisions to ration health care (from an email):
    Pages 284-288, SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOSPITAL READMISSIONS:


    ‘(ii) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN READMISSIONS.—For purposes of clause (i), with respect to a hospital, excess readmissions shall not include readmissions for an applicable condition for which there are fewer than a minimum number (as determined by the Secretary) of discharges for such applicable condition for the applicable period and such hospital.

    and, under “Definitions”:


    ‘‘(A) APPLICABLE CONDITION.—The term ‘applicable condition’ means, subject to subparagraph (B), a condition or procedure selected by the Secretary . . .


    and:


    ‘‘(E) READMISSION.—The term ‘readmission’ means, in the case of an individual who is discharged from an applicable hospital, the admission of the individual to the same or another applicable hospital within a time period specified by the Secretary from the date of such discharge.


    and:


    ‘‘(6) LIMITATIONS ON REVIEW.—There shall be no administrative or judicial review under section 1869, section 1878, or otherwise of— . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    Bootstraps - "I can't reach them"......succinct.....
    The bootstraps argument aka it's "poor people's fault that they are poor" is ridiculous. When I see it I point it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    The bootstraps argument aka it's "poor people's fault that they are poor" is ridiculous. When I see it I point it out.
    Never said that, stop lying.
    McCain to Obama. "If you don't like our bill, send troops to help us."

    Obama, himself attempted to filibuster Justice Alito, who now sits on the Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Oh lookie, more provisions to ration health care (from an email):
    Did you see where Ovama proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care?
    McCain to Obama. "If you don't like our bill, send troops to help us."

    Obama, himself attempted to filibuster Justice Alito, who now sits on the Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuTu Monroe View Post
    Did you see where Ovama proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care?
    He's proposing cutting government subsidies to Medicare Advantage. Do you know what Medicare Advantage is?

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    Medicare Advantage Plans
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    Medicare Advantage Plans are health plan options that are part of the Medicare program. If you join one of these plans, you generally get all your Medicare-covered health care through that plan. This coverage can include prescription drug coverage. Medicare Advantage Plans include:

    * Medicare Health Maintenance Organization (HMOs)
    * Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO)
    * Private Fee-for-Service Plans
    * Medicare Special Needs Plans

    When you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you use the health insurance card that you get from the plan for your health care. In most of these plans, generally there are extra benefits and lower copayments than in the Original Medicare Plan. However, you may have to see doctors that belong to the plan or go to certain hospitals to get services.

    To join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you must have Medicare Part A and Part B. You will have to pay your monthly Medicare Part B premium to Medicare. In addition, you might have to pay a monthly premium to your Medicare Advantage Plan for the extra benefits that they offer.

    If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, your Medigap policy won’t work. This means it won’t pay any deductibles, copayments, or other cost-sharing under your Medicare Health Plan. Therefore, you may want to drop your Medigap policy if you join a Medicare Advantage Plan. However, you have a legal right to keep the Medigap policy.

    To compare Medicare Advantage Plans, go to the Medicare Options Compare.

    http://www.medicare.gov/choices/advantage.asp

    So reducing subsidies to private insurance companies?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    The bootstraps argument aka it's "poor people's fault that they are poor" is ridiculous. When I see it I point it out.
    that is not a bootstrap argument

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    Medicare Advantage Plans
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    Medicare Advantage Plans are health plan options that are part of the Medicare program. If you join one of these plans, you generally get all your Medicare-covered health care through that plan. This coverage can include prescription drug coverage. Medicare Advantage Plans include:

    * Medicare Health Maintenance Organization (HMOs)
    * Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO)
    * Private Fee-for-Service Plans
    * Medicare Special Needs Plans

    When you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you use the health insurance card that you get from the plan for your health care. In most of these plans, generally there are extra benefits and lower copayments than in the Original Medicare Plan. However, you may have to see doctors that belong to the plan or go to certain hospitals to get services.

    To join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you must have Medicare Part A and Part B. You will have to pay your monthly Medicare Part B premium to Medicare. In addition, you might have to pay a monthly premium to your Medicare Advantage Plan for the extra benefits that they offer.

    If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, your Medigap policy won’t work. This means it won’t pay any deductibles, copayments, or other cost-sharing under your Medicare Health Plan. Therefore, you may want to drop your Medigap policy if you join a Medicare Advantage Plan. However, you have a legal right to keep the Medigap policy.

    To compare Medicare Advantage Plans, go to the Medicare Options Compare.

    http://www.medicare.gov/choices/advantage.asp

    So reducing subsidies to private insurance companies?
    Yeah. Bush instated it in 2003 and gave trillions to the healthcare industry to take seniors off the rolls of Medicare and put them on private insurance plans that give them similar care as Medicare but cost about 12 percent more, and they're not bound by the same rules. It's privatization of medicare, and you're paying for it. The government pays these people to charge seniors for care, and pays them huge amounts of money to do it. By the way, where were the cost hawks in 2003?

    By the way, they bilked us of lots of money and in 2007 were investigated (once the Democrats were in and had the power to do so) and were found to have cheated the taxpayers out of billions. Private industry!

    Anyway, Obama's suggesting we repeal Bush's medicare advantage disaster and save money but putting them back on normal medicare so we're not paying private industry to fuck up their coverage for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ib1yysguy View Post
    Yeah. Bush instated it in 2003 and gave trillions to the healthcare industry to take seniors off the rolls of Medicare and put them on private insurance plans that give them similar care as Medicare but cost about 12 percent more, and they're not bound by the same rules. It's privatization of medicare, and you're paying for it. The government pays these people to charge seniors for care, and pays them huge amounts of money to do it. By the way, where were the cost hawks in 2003?

    By the way, they bilked us of lots of money and in 2007 were investigated (once the Democrats were in and had the power to do so) and were found to have cheated the taxpayers out of billions. Private industry!

    Anyway, Obama's suggesting we repeal Bush's medicare advantage disaster and save money but putting them back on normal medicare so we're not paying private industry to fuck up their coverage for no reason.
    trillions.....really

    actually it was the GOA that investigated, not the dems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    trillions.....really

    actually it was the GOA that investigated, not the dems
    I thought the cost is like 1.3 Trillion over 10 years. Turns out it's half a trillion.

    You know what the CBO said Obama's plan would cost over 10 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    that is not a bootstrap argument
    Sure it is. All poor people have to do if they don't want to be poor is pull themselves up by their metaphorical bootstraps.

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    Lying Republicans (a redundancy) falsely claim that health insurance reform would increase the huge deficit that Bush ran up, when in fact the President has repeatedly said that reform must be deficit-neutral.

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