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Thread: I could not, in good conscience, vote for the debt ceiling bill--Bernie Sanders

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    Default I could not, in good conscience, vote for the debt ceiling bill--Bernie Sanders

    I voted against the bill.

    At a time when this country is rapidly moving toward Oligarchy, with more wealth and income inequality than we’ve ever experienced, I could not in good conscience vote for a bill that cuts programs for the most vulnerable while refusing to ask billionaires to pay a penny more in taxes. Wall Street and corporate interests may be enthusiastic about this bill, but I believe it moves us in exactly the wrong direction.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-ceiling-bill

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    A vote not needed.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    A vote not needed.
    But legitimate. Caving into the right wing is not a success for Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    But legitimate. Caving into the right wing is not a success for Biden.
    But finessing the debt ceiling bill was a success. Biden deserves the praise he's getting in the Times, the Post and elsewhere for his quiet handling of the negotiations, letting McCarthy do all the crowing, and coming out in the end with a better outcome for Democrats than almost anyone expected.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    But finessing the debt ceiling bill was a success. Biden deserves the praise he's getting in the Times, the Post and elsewhere for his quiet handling of the negotiations, letting McCarthy do all the crowing, and coming out in the end with a better outcome for Democrats than almost anyone expected.
    Whole thing stinks. Just a stupid game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Whole thing stinks. Just a stupid game.
    Politics is a game.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Politics is a game.
    Playing games with the country is terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Whole thing stinks. Just a stupid game.
    that is because you know deep down this is a victory for conservatives

    We now can use the debt ceiling as a tool to stop spending. Precedence exists - and this will be the new norm

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    I quit caring what Bernie thinks in 2016. I voted for him in the primary, but then he became a sore loser.

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    Default We didn’t default. The Republican Party is still a huge problem.

    I worry that, perhaps worst of all, the deal encourages America’s leaders and institutions to continue sleepwalking through the huge crisis we are in. We have an increasingly antidemocratic Republican Party that is pushing the nation toward a cold civil war.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-to-celebrate/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I quit caring what Bernie thinks in 2016. I voted for him in the primary, but then he became a sore loser.
    Uh huh, and I don't care what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Whole thing stinks. Just a stupid game.
    They are politicians. Biden knew what Mccarthy needed to save his speakership. He provided it for concessions in the bill. That, you crazy rightys cannot understand, is how politics works. Listening to MTG talk bout the additions to the IRS like they are Gestapo, is normalized now. They are to audit the wealthy and corporations. They would increase revenue, which is also a way to cut the debt. But the Repub party is a subsidiary of the wealthy and they fight that to the death as the wealth gap soars.

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    A months-long, heavily hyped standoff that ended with a bipartisan compromise will encourage this wrongheaded analysis of what ails American politics. We are now headed toward a presidential election in which a truly radical, antidemocratic person (Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis) looks to have a strong chance of being elected president. And the biggest priority of many in the news media and the business community will be to play down that person’s radicalism to show objectivity and neutrality.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-to-celebrate/

    Good editorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    that is because you know deep down this is a victory for conservatives

    We now can use the debt ceiling as a tool to stop spending. Precedence exists - and this will be the new norm
    The Reds have done it in the past. This is not the precedence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Playing games with the country is terrorism.
    so you're a terrorist, got it
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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