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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Discard of logic. Mockery of logic.
    ^argument of a moron fallacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    ^argument of a moron fallacy
    Discard of logic. Mockery of logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Discard of logic. Mockery of logic.
    ^argument of a moron fallacy

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+economics

    tariffs are economic discussions

    only a retard would suggest otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    ^argument of a moron fallacy
    Discard of logic. Mockery of logic.
    "The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+economics

    tariffs are economic discussions

    only a retard would suggest otherwise
    Tariffs are laws. They are not the economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    So you have no answer. Just a vague 'China is better'.
    Cheaper does not mean the same thing as better. If it did we would not need different words for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Tariffs are laws. They are not the economy.
    Tarriffs are money, and they cost every American who uses a particular product. They have no benefit to any American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Tariffs are laws. They are not the economy.
    ^argument of a moron fallacy

    these things are not mutually exclusive - they are laws that concern economic policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Cheaper does not mean the same thing as better. If it did we would not need different words for them.
    Flash used 'cheaper' to mean 'better'...in other words, that we NEED China because it's products are cheaper.

    He completely failed to consider OTHER cheaper sources (including domestic ones!). He is just lumping ALL products are cheaper from China. That is essentially saying that China is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Tarriffs are money, and they cost every American who uses a particular product. They have no benefit to any American.
    Blatant lie. If I buy a product that is under tariff from China, I can also buy that same product from a different country or even from here (domestically). You are making the same mistake Flash does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Flash used 'cheaper' to mean 'better'...in other words, that we NEED China because it's products are cheaper.

    He completely failed to consider OTHER cheaper sources (including domestic ones!). He is just lumping ALL products are cheaper from China. That is essentially saying that China is better.
    I would say that we need choices, because China's products are cheap, you can interchange that with "crap" if you'd like.

    DeSantis allowed room for Trump to use tariffs to convince China to lower theirs. Basically saying that it would be a good thing if we use it to get China to allow more of our stuff into China, it would be junk if all we're doing is tariffs and we get nothing out of it...

    You can pretend that it meant "better" if you want. I just will continue to point out that "Better" and "Cheaper" are not synonymous words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    ^argument of a moron fallacy

    these things are not mutually exclusive - they are laws that concern economic policy
    There is no such thing as 'economic policy'. Only laws like tariffs, CPSC laws, etc.
    The economy is not a 'policy'. Only fascists and communists believe that.
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    "Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    There is no such thing as 'economic policy'. Only laws like tariffs, CPSC laws, etc.
    The economy is not a 'policy'. Only fascists and communists believe that.
    ^argument of a moron fallacy

    economic policy is definitely a thing.

    https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/economic-policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Blatant lie. If I buy a product that is under tariff from China, I can also buy that same product from a different country or even from here (domestically). You are making the same mistake Flash does.
    Yes you may, just may, be able to buy a similar product domestically but will pay a higher price.

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