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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    There's zero chance of a pluralistic society in North America or western Europe ever becoming a real theocracy.

    I don't think having a fixed moral framework is a bad thing. There is generally nearly universal agreement that humility, charity, mercy, non-violence, universal love is the target to shoot for, even if many fall short

    Trump himself felt the social pressure to conform to a fixed moral framework, so much so that he set up a fake charitable foundation to create the impression he was conforming to at least some moral expectations
    what do you call fake 'climate science' energy totalitarianism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Jews, Hindus, High Protestants, Unitarians, and Buddhists tend to have the most education.

    Atheists and agnostics are below them.

    At the bottom are the reformed Protestants, Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, Mormons.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...gion+education
    you're dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    you're dumb
    ....and you expect intelligent, mature and educated people to believe you are not simply a pissed off, lonely 20something female college dropout?
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Doc Dutch=Asshole Stalker

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Doc Dutch=Asshole Stalker
    Translation: Damn you, Dutch! How do you do it???

    Experience and education, ma'am.

    It's basically an application of the Imitation Game made famous by Alan Turing's computer intelligence research.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18475646
    The Imitation Game

    In fact, Turing well understood the need for empirical evidence, proposing what has become known as the Turing Test to determine if a machine was capable of thinking. The test was an adaptation of a Victorian-style competition called the imitation game.

    It involves secluding a man and woman from an interrogator who has to guess which is which by asking questions and studying written replies.

    The man aims to fool the interrogator, while the woman tries to help him.


    In the Turing Test, a computer program replaces the man. Turing asked: "Will the interrogator decide wrongly as often when the game is played like this as he does when the game is played between a man and a woman."

    Effectively, the test studies whether the interrogator can determine which is computer and which is human (although Turing did not explicitly say that the interrogator should be told that one of the respondents was a computer it seems clear to me from his example questions that this was what he intended).

    The idea was that if the questioner could not tell the difference between human and machine, the computer would be considered to be thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTER PERSON View Post
    IMA LITTLE GIRL
    IN A WOMAN-AGED BODY
    ANGRY AND BITTER

    Being angry is detrimental to your best interests, Ms. BP.

    https://www.psypost.org/2021/01/a-ne...ormation-59061
    A new study has found being angry increases your vulnerability to misinformation
    Human memory is prone to error — and new research provides evidence that anger can increase these errors. The new findings have been published in the scientific journal Experimental Psychology.

    “My interest in the impact of anger on misinformation came from both real-world experience and research,” said study author Michael Greenstein, an assistant professor at Framingham State University.

    “From the real-world side, there’s this phrase that people say — ‘don’t get emotional.’ That phrase is somewhat often used to describe anger and the idea that when you’re angry you’ll make poor decisions, which would also imply poor memory use.”

    “From the research side, anger is an interesting emotion because it somewhat defies traditional classifications in that it’s a ‘negative’ emotion, but it impacts cognition in a lot of ways that are more similar to ‘positive’ emotions.”...

    ...The researchers found that anger did not impair the ability to recognize details actually present in the film. However, those in the anger condition were more susceptible to misinformation than those in the neutral condition. In other words, angry participants were more likely to misattribute details from the initial quiz to what they had seen in the film.

    The researchers also found that participants in the anger condition tended to be more confident in the accuracy of their memories. But among those participants, increased confidence was associated with decreased accuracy. Among those in the neutral condition, in contrast, increased confidence was associated with increased accuracy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Mostly, not always. Mixed: common sense and cultural indoctrination.
    What is common sense? Define it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Disagreed. Social agreement is needed, not religion.
    Moronic and meaningless claim.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Russia is arguably the most Christian nation in Europe but a large fraction of their population think it's okay to bomb Ukrainian cities into smoldering piles of ash.
    Link to your bullshit. Russia doesn't even make it into the top ten.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Haters only want to hate, not answer honest questions.

    My experience online is that they are either ignorant or mentally ill. In Perry and COgoat's instance, it's probably mental illness. In BP's case, a little of both.
    Buy a mirror.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Russia is arguably the most Christian nation in Europe but a large fraction of their population think it's okay to bomb Ukrainian cities into smoldering piles of ash.
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Link to your bullshit! Russia doesn't even make it into the top ten!
    "Russia emerges as Europe's most God-believing nation"

    Two decades after the collapse of the USSR, history's most atheistic state, the vast majority of Russians attest to a belief in God – more than in any other European country – according to a new opinion poll. The survey, carried out in April by the independent Public Opinion Fund (FOM), found that 82 percent of Russians say they are religious believers, while just 13 percent say they do not believe in any deity

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...lieving-nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What is common sense? Define it.

    Moronic and meaningless claim.
    ^^^
    Is anyone really surprised that TD doesn't know the meaning of common sense? It doesn't surprise me.

    Here, TD, let me help you understand what you clearly do not have...not that I blame the mentally ill for their inabilities to understand normal human behavior: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...common%20sense
    sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
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    Affirmative!
    What day is Michaelmas on?
    When is the Mass on Michael?
    AM I ,I AM's,AM I
    I AM,I AM's, AM I

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    If you really look at most of them, so many of the tenets & principles are from a "human" perspective, and tie into human emotions like fear & hate, and also human reactions to that, like worship & sacrifice.

    It always begs the question: why do we put SO much on words that were written by ancient peoples, who had no understanding of the world or universe around them.
    On a day to day basis, the vast majority of people today have no idea about quantum physics, thermodynamics, the basic principles of organic chemistry, and they can't explain why the sky is blue, why the ocean is salty, or what light and gravity really are as natural phenomena. The garden variety person is more literate and more trained in using technology today. But I don't think people today are vastly inherently and innately smarter than people 2000 years ago.

    In saying religions are "mostly wrong", that requires some analysis.

    If the idea is that the bible is supposed to be a historical and scientific document, then it is largely wrong.

    The mythical and legendary aspects of religion are either beyond conformation or just plain wrong.

    If religion is thought of as a way of living a human life in the context of a divine universal order, I don't think it's possible to say it is mostly wrong. It becomes subjective at that point. I really didn't find anything foolish from reading the Gospel of Luke, and the canonical texts of Buddhism, Daoism, Hinduism because they contain a vision of right conduct and ethics that are so timeless, we have adopted them for ourselves even when we strip away the religious context.

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