After Bakhmut [Ukraine War] | The American Conservative

[Hawkeye10]

Money Quote:

Indeed, one of the pitfalls of Macgregor’s Army career was that he slapped a few too many gorillas along the way. He has long been known for his ability to alienate senior officers, not least because he suggested they spent their time sucking up to their superiors, instead of figuring out how to wage war.

https://www.politico.eu/article/insi...astern-europe/

[Phoenyx]

Mostly agree.

I'm curious to know what you disagree with :-). But perhaps you think it's not worth mentioning...

[Phoenyx]

Have you considered the possibility that they may not be able to take back any of it?

Of course. But in the minds of Ukrainian nationalists, they have to try.

Agreed, especially while the U.S. and others nations are financing the war.

Here’s the dynamics- Russia can increase its mobilization… to a point. The Russian population is not all in on this war, especially the younger ones. Ukraine is already fully mobilized.
The West is still supplying heavy weaponry and looks like will continue this with F-16’s.

Sounds about right.

Russia is tapped out for now and doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity to replace what they’ve lost and will likely continue to lose.

Where did you hear that? From what I've heard, it's the Ukrainians that will soon be running out of ammunition, specifically, artillery.

So as far as Ukrainians are concerned they have to at least try.

I think you were more accurate when you said Ukrainian -nationalists-. There's a whole lot of Ukrainians that have been upset with the direction of the country ever since Euromaidan.

They really have nothing more to lose.

If only that were true. Those who are still alive still have their lives. I think it's a terrible shame how little effort has been put into diplomatic initiatives.

It’s doubtful Russia will make any more significant gains.

Why do you believe that? From what I've heard, now that Bakhmut has been taken, things should become easier for Russia and harder for Ukraine's nationalists.

Nobody can predict the ultimate outcome but both sides for now are betting on a favorable result.

Agreed, only I think that one side is akin to a compulsive gambler and the other is akin to the house. The house doesn't -always- win, but it certainly tends to. Not only that, but Ukraine has made a lot of tactical errors at this point, especially in regards to Bakhmut. To quote a line from Dr. Strange, "The Bill Comes Due".

[Tranquillus in Exile]

What evidence do you have that Russia had anything to do with those uprisings?

Three men found guilty of murdering 298 people in shooting down of MH17

A Dutch court has found three men guilty of the murder of 298 people onboard flight MH17, which was shot down by a Russian surface-to-air missile when it was flying over eastern Ukraine in 2014.

The court handed down sentences of life imprisonment to the Russian nationals Igor Girkin and Sergey Dubinskiy and a Ukrainian, Leonid Kharchenko, after finding them guilty of bringing down the plane and the murder of everyone onboard. A third Russian national, Oleg Pulatov, was acquitted of the charges owing to lack of evidence about his role in the firing of the missile.

The presiding judge said the court had concluded that MH17 was shot down by a Russian-made BUK missile from an agricultural field in eastern Ukraine, citing extensive evidence that did not leave “any possibility for reasonable doubt whatsoever”. The court found that Russia had overall control of the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine at the time the plane was shot down.

Girkin was a commander of the separatist-backed forces. Dubinskiy is a former officer of the GRU, the Russian military intelligence service. Kharchenko was a commander of a combat unit in Donetsk and took his orders from Dubinskiy.

The fatal chain of events began to unfold on the night of 16-17 July when a BUK was smuggled across the border from Russia to Ukraine and transported to Donetsk ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-mh17-bombing

[anonymoose]

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Where did you hear that? From what I've heard, it's the Ukrainians that will soon be running out of ammunition, specifically, artillery.

It’s a war of attrition. They both are. Who has more ability to resupply? Russia or the West?

I think you were more accurate when you said Ukrainian -nationalists-. There's a whole lot of Ukrainians that have been upset with the direction of the country ever since Euromaidan.

They’re far more upset about what the Russians are doing to them

If only that were true. Those who are still alive still have their lives.

And they’d like to keep it that way. They have no choice but to resist. That buddy of yours from debatepolitics.com who’s an officer in the Russian military openly stated that here. Now the objective is to turn Ukraine into a field, so he has said.

Why do you believe that? From what I've heard, now that Bakhmut has been taken, things should become easier for Russia and harder for Ukraine's nationalists.

Bakhmut is useless to the Russian military.

[Hawkeye10]

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It’s a war of attrition. They both are. Who has more ability to resupply? Russia or the West?


They’re far more upset about what the Russians are doing to them



And they’d like to keep it that way. They have no choice but to resist. That buddy of yours from debatepolitics.com who’s an officer in the Russian military openly stated here that. Now the objective is to turn Ukraine into a field.




Bakhmut is now surrounded by Ukrainian forces. It’s useless to the Russian military.

Russia.


Bakhmut is not surrounded by Ukraine forces...this statement is insane.

[Phoenyx]

What evidence do you have that Russia had anything to do with those uprisings?

Three men found guilty of murdering 298 people in shooting down of MH17

First of all, the downing of what was alleged to be MH 17 took place well after the uprisings had already taken place. Second of all, there's some debate as to whether that aircraft was MH 17. And most importantly, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the aircraft was hit by the Ukrainian army, not the Russians. I covered this in another thread that you actually participated in back in November. In case you'd like to revisit it, it's here:

Ukraine and Malaysia Flights Mh 17 and MH 370 | justplainpolitics.com

[Hawkeye10]

First of all, the downing of what was alleged to be MH 17 took place well after the uprisings had already taken place. Second of all, there's some debate as to whether that aircraft was MH 17. And most importantly, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the aircraft was hit by the Ukrainian army, not the Russians. I covered this in another thread that you actually participated in back in November. In case you'd like to revisit it, it's here:

Ukraine and Malaysia Flights Mh 17 and MH 370 | justplainpolitics.com

And let us not forget how reckless the Ukrainians operate, and as well how often they lie.

[Hawkeye10]

Reckless is me being charitable....the Ukrainians have long killed civilians on purpose.

[Hawkeye10]

This is the place to go for the daily:



Way too long, and he is annoying personally....but this is the real deal for those who want to be educated.

[anonymoose]

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Russia.


Bakhmut is not surrounded by Ukraine forces...this statement is insane.

I get my information from ISW. Where do you get yours.

[Hawkeye10]

I get my information from ISW. Where do you get yours.

True/Not True is what matters idiot.

[Hawkeye10]

DAMO....why has this site not been working correctly for many hours?

Where the Fuck R U?

[Hawkeye10]

I am one of The Better People.

I have expectations.

[Hawkeye10]

First of all, the downing of what was alleged to be MH 17 took place well after the uprisings had already taken place. Second of all, there's some debate as to whether that aircraft was MH 17. And most importantly, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the aircraft was hit by the Ukrainian army, not the Russians. I covered this in another thread that you actually participated in back in November. In case you'd like to revisit it, it's here:

Ukraine and Malaysia Flights Mh 17 and MH 370 | justplainpolitics.com

It's OK to be wrong, none of us are Gods, what matters is that you pursue truth.