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    Default Is the Universe a quantum fluctuation?

    Perhaps the whole Universe is the result of a vacuum fluctuation, originating from what we could call quantum nothingness.

    In quantum mechanics, there is no zero-energy state. There is only the lowest possible energy state of a system, its ground state. Now, if there is an inherent uncertainty in the energy of a system, then the energy of the ground state can fluctuate. If we call this ground state a quantum vacuum, it follows that the quantum vacuum always has some structure to it. There is no such thing as a true vacuum in the sense of complete emptiness. Quantum mechanics forbids nothingness.

    If there are energy fluctuations in a quantum vacuum, very interesting things can happen. For example, the E = mc2 relation tells us that energy and matter are interconvertible. A vacuum energy fluctuation can be converted into particles of matter. Sounds weird? Maybe, but it happens all the time. These particles are called virtual particles, living a fleeting existence before plunging back into the ever-busy quantum vacuum.

    Physicist Edward Tryon extrapolated the idea of quantum fluctuations to the Universe as a whole. He reasoned that if all that existed was a quantum vacuum, a bubble-like energy fluctuation out of this vacuum could have given rise to the Universe. Tryon proposed that the whole Universe is the result of a vacuum fluctuation, originating from what we could call quantum nothingness.

    Tryon’s proposal falls into the category of universes with a beginning, but created out of nothing. However, nothingness here, as well as in all the other examples of quantum-created universes that followed Tryon’s inspiring idea, must be understood in terms of quantum mechanical nothingness, and not from an absolute nothingness that translates to complete emptiness. In physics you simply cannot get something out of nothing. Creation ex nihilo is not the way of nature.

    https://bigthink.com/13-8/universe-quantum-fluctuation/

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    If quantum fluctuations exist that means Einsteins theory that humans cannot exceed the speed of light is wrong

    His theory is predicated on the fact that all of space exists in a vacuum

    Einstein really, really struggled with quantum mechanics and the few times he did debate it he turned out to be wrong

    Especially on things like quantum entanglement which he said absolutely could not exist

    He gets far more credit than he deserves, he was actually kind of a stubborn idiot who got lucky once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    If quantum fluctuations exist that means Einsteins theory that humans cannot exceed the speed of light is wrong

    His theory is predicated on the fact that all of space exists in a vacuum

    Einstein really, really struggled with quantum mechanics and the few times he did debate it he turned out to be wrong

    Especially on things like quantum entanglement which he said absolutely could not exist

    He gets far more credit than he deserves, he was actually kind of a stubborn idiot who got lucky once
    I don't think vacuum energy has anything to do with violations of the speed of light.

    Most scientists do their best work before age 40.

    Einstein was hung up on the idea of determinism and thus lagged behind in the cutting edge thinking on quantum mechanics by the late 1920s and 30s.


    Einstein didn't get lucky just once. He was the author of landmark ideas and papers on the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, special relativity, and general relativity. Any one of those papers alone would have launched a scientist into the top tier of physics of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't think vacuum energy has anything to do with violations of the speed of light.

    Most scientists do their best work before age 40.

    Einstein was hung up on the idea of determinism and thus lagged behind in the cutting edge thinking on quantum mechanics by the late 1920s and 30s.


    Einstein didn't get lucky just once. He was the author of landmark ideas and papers on the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, special relativity, and general relativity. Any one of those papers alone would have launched a scientist into the top tier of physics of the day.
    Well you are obviously extremely intelligent so I am sure you’ve studied his work on the general relativity theory which encompasses far more then just his famous equation

    However since some people here might be interested in this but don’t know his work I am going to generalize

    Einstein believed the universe was static and unchanging even though his equations were telling him different so he looked into it and couldn’t figure it out and this would ultimately lead to the birth of quantum physics

    But these unknown variables threatened his theory of relativity so he came up with a new equation called the cosmological constant which simply says that there is a form of dark energy out there that would account for the flaws in his equation’s

    He essentially just made this up on the spot with no proof whatsoever

    Shortly after he published the theory of relativity the Shroedinger cat lesson came out which essentially says that if you put a cat in a box and put something in there to kill it that the cat is not alive or dead until you open the box and observe it

    Einstein hated this lesson and went out of his way to debunk it because it showed that things happen in the universe that have no explanation and that negates most of his theories on relativity

    I’m fact, most of Einsteins theories have been proven wrong and all he really ever did was produce one little mathematical equation

    He was however a great self promoter and loved the fame he received but it is rumored that he didn’t even come up with that equation but that his wife did who was a schooled mathematician herself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    Well you are obviously extremely intelligent so I am sure you’ve studied his work on the general relativity theory which encompasses far more then just his famous equation

    However since some people here might be interested in this but don’t know his work I am going to generalize

    Einstein believed the universe was static and unchanging even though his equations were telling him different so he looked into it and couldn’t figure it out and this would ultimately lead to the birth of quantum physics

    But these unknown variables threatened his theory of relativity so he came up with a new equation called the cosmological constant which simply says that there is a form of dark energy out there that would account for the flaws in his equation’s

    He essentially just made this up on the spot with no proof whatsoever

    Shortly after he published the theory of relativity the Shroedinger cat lesson came out which essentially says that if you put a cat in a box and put something in there to kill it that the cat is not alive or dead until you open the box and observe it

    Einstein hated this lesson and went out of his way to debunk it because it showed that things happen in the universe that have no explanation and that negates most of his theories on relativity

    I’m fact, most of Einsteins theories have been proven wrong and all he really ever did was produce one little mathematical equation

    He was however a great self promoter and loved the fame he received but it is rumored that he didn’t even come up with that equation but that his wife did who was a schooled mathematician herself
    I don't think I can have an intelligent discussion with someone who claims Einstein was overrated and only got lucky one time, Goat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Perhaps the whole Universe is the result of a vacuum fluctuation, originating from what we could call quantum nothingness.

    In quantum mechanics, there is no zero-energy state. There is only the lowest possible energy state of a system, its ground state. Now, if there is an inherent uncertainty in the energy of a system, then the energy of the ground state can fluctuate. If we call this ground state a quantum vacuum, it follows that the quantum vacuum always has some structure to it. There is no such thing as a true vacuum in the sense of complete emptiness. Quantum mechanics forbids nothingness.

    If there are energy fluctuations in a quantum vacuum, very interesting things can happen. For example, the E = mc2 relation tells us that energy and matter are interconvertible. A vacuum energy fluctuation can be converted into particles of matter. Sounds weird? Maybe, but it happens all the time. These particles are called virtual particles, living a fleeting existence before plunging back into the ever-busy quantum vacuum.

    Physicist Edward Tryon extrapolated the idea of quantum fluctuations to the Universe as a whole. He reasoned that if all that existed was a quantum vacuum, a bubble-like energy fluctuation out of this vacuum could have given rise to the Universe. Tryon proposed that the whole Universe is the result of a vacuum fluctuation, originating from what we could call quantum nothingness.

    Tryon’s proposal falls into the category of universes with a beginning, but created out of nothing. However, nothingness here, as well as in all the other examples of quantum-created universes that followed Tryon’s inspiring idea, must be understood in terms of quantum mechanical nothingness, and not from an absolute nothingness that translates to complete emptiness. In physics you simply cannot get something out of nothing. Creation ex nihilo is not the way of nature.

    https://bigthink.com/13-8/universe-quantum-fluctuation/
    Yes and no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    If quantum fluctuations exist that means Einsteins theory that humans cannot exceed the speed of light is wrong

    His theory is predicated on the fact that all of space exists in a vacuum

    Einstein really, really struggled with quantum mechanics and the few times he did debate it he turned out to be wrong

    Especially on things like quantum entanglement which he said absolutely could not exist

    He gets far more credit than he deserves, he was actually kind of a stubborn idiot who got lucky once
    Your error is thinking in terms of sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't think I can have an intelligent discussion with someone who claims Einstein was overrated and only got lucky one time, Goat.
    We’ll work on your communication skills and maybe you can get to a level to debate me

    If you work hard enough you can do anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I don't think I can have an intelligent discussion with someone who claims Einstein was overrated and only got lucky one time, Goat.
    She ? is very uneducated , better off trying to have a discussion with a house fly
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Your error is thinking in terms of sizes.
    It’s not the size of the wand but the magic that’s in it

    Typical small penis man excuse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    We’ll work on your communication skills and maybe you can get to a level to debate me

    If you work hard enough you can do anything
    When you start your first post by saying Einstein was overrated and only got lucky one single time, it means you haven't done the work to familiarize yourself with Einstein's research career

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Perhaps the whole Universe is the result of a vacuum fluctuation, originating from what we could call quantum nothingness.....

    https://bigthink.com/13-8/universe-quantum-fluctuation/
    Possible. It could also be the Universe's greatest video game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Yes and no.
    I'm not sure I buy it either, but it has some traction in the cosmology community.

    One downside is that it seems to assume Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is eternal and must have somehow existed before the quantum fluctuation, since the fluctuations are a consequence of the uncertainty principle. . The assumption that natural laws are eternal and existed before time=0 creates another metaphysical chicken before the egg problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Possible. It could also be the Universe's greatest video game.
    It's not inconceivable we are living in a computer simulation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    It's not inconceivable we are living in a computer simulation
    Which may mean "it's the ride, not the destination" that matters.
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