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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    But British Petroleum, I got an A!!!
    At a real college?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    At a real college?
    Yup. A good and expensive one.

    I'd have gotten more A's but I was boxing for spending money
    and between getting hit in the head and the time spent in the gym,
    that might not have helped my GPA.

    The army drafted me before I was reduced to your intelligence level, however, and also, despite trying, failed to get me killed.

    In any case, thanks for asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Yup. A good and expensive one.

    I'd have gotten more A's but I was boxing for spending money
    and between getting hit in the head and the time spent in the gym,
    that might not have helped my GPA.

    The army drafted me before I was reduced to your intelligence level, however, and also, despite trying, failed to get me killed.

    In any case, thanks for asking.
    Yet you know less than nothing about philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Yet you know less than nothing about philosophy.
    Funny how that works, although in fairness,

    you are the one making the assessment.

    I'll leave your qualifications for others to judge.

    I just enjoy you for being funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Funny how that works, although in fairness,

    you are the one making the assessment.

    I'll leave your qualifications for others to judge.

    I just enjoy you for being funny.
    I find you stupid and boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I don't know if this is on topic, but Philosophy 101 was a very important freshman class in college.
    It helped keep my GPA on a respectable level.
    I'm hard pressed to even imagine an easier A than that.
    Those As helped boost up all those Gentleman's Cs.
    I don't remember any really easy classes in college, but I took a lot of PE classes in high school because they were guaranteed A's

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    While he is correct he is ignoring the fact that all society’s are based on philosophy.

    His mistake is trying to portray America as unique

    We aren’t

    He is simply stating an obvious fact and trying to spin it as if he has discovered something

    Many scholars use this tactic to make themselves look good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quincunx View Post
    It seems you don't either. You just quoted this. Whenever anyone even so much as questions the received wisdom you acquire you don't take it well.
    Name dropping 101! Cypress gets an A!
    But name dropping to avoid having an opinion is
    Cypress 101
    What day is Michaelmas on?
    When is the Mass on Michael?
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    I AM,I AM's, AM I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quincunx View Post
    I am curious, however, why Cypress thinks merely quoting something without comment = "Discussion".
    I think he's following guno's lead.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    While he is correct he is ignoring the fact that all society’s are based on philosophy.

    His mistake is trying to portray America as unique

    We aren’t

    He is simply stating an obvious fact and trying to spin it as if he has discovered something

    Many scholars use this tactic to make themselves look good
    The formation of modern Germany and Italy were based on largely nationalism and the perception that other European powers were cynically trying to keep the Holy Roman empire and the Italian peninsula weak and divided..

    Tsarist Russia was largely constituted as the third Rome, a Christian Orthodox empire destined by divine providence to expel Mongols and Muslims from the Eurasian landscape.

    America is not unique, but it's creation and independence does consciously look to the antecedents of classical liberal political philosophies of natural rights, the sovereignty of the citizen, and strict limits on government power.

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    From what I can see, America seems to have been born
    of wealthy landowners
    who did not want to pay taxes
    to the Crown which financed their colonization.

    Tax evaders have been trying to run it ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Yet you know less than nothing about philosophy.
    There are so many jokes I could make here that I'm at a loss.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    "Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy." —Margaret Thatcher

    Commentators often suggest that Americans have no political philosophy. The standard line is that Americans are doers, not thinkers; pragmatists, not philosophers. On first glance, this seems insightful; however, close examination of the corpus of American political thought makes clear that this thought-action dichotomy is illusory. Born of English parents and developed in changing and increasingly heterogeneous contexts, American political thought has cycled around an essentially liberal core for nearly 400 years.

    Although Americans tend not to think explicitly in terms of abstract theory, our very institutions are informed by theory. In fact, as Garry Wills has noted, America is an “invented” country, the construct of men who consciously built political structures to govern a nation. The traditional concerns of political philosophy guided them: the nature of humans, the sources of legitimate social and political authority, the nature of, the role of the individual citizen, and the proper ends of social and governmental order. Thus, instead of being theory-poor, American institutions are rooted in, and have developed from, explicitly philosophical origins. Wittingly or not, this conditions American citizens: Our thought and actions are theory bound and guided.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The formation of modern Germany and Italy were based on largely nationalism and the perception that other European powers were cynically trying to keep the Holy Roman empire and the Italian peninsula weak and divided..

    Tsarist Russia was largely constituted as the third Rome, a Christian Orthodox empire destined by divine providence to expel Mongols and Muslims from the Eurasian landscape.

    America is not unique, but it's creation and independence does consciously look to the antecedents of classical liberal political philosophies of natural rights, the sovereignty of the citizen, and strict limits on government power.
    And you could extrapolate that logic to every civilization ever formed

    Every civilization is rooted in previous cultures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerpeach View Post
    And you could extrapolate that logic to every civilization ever formed

    Every civilization is rooted in previous cultures
    "Rooted in previous cultures" is such a nebulous and trite phrase as to render itself practically meaningless.

    The philosophical foundations of America are substantially different than the divine right of kings, or the Mandate of Heaven that constituted the basis for Medieval European states and the empires of East Asia.

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