"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
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18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
They did not have a 2/3 majority to override a veto. Trump wanted a larger stimulus payment and said he would have won Georgia if it passed.
Trump's executive order did not need congressional approval and he increased unemployment benefits $600 a week which led to many people staying out of work until their benefits expired. And the Payroll Protection Program was full of fraud, waste, and forgiven loans (like to Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz). Trump was as bad as Biden in being fiscally irresponsible.
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.
Into the Night (05-25-2023)
The 14th does provide a way for Biden to force the issue. However, the Dems are reluctant to use it. They do not want to set a precedent. Biden thinks he can work out a deal. Mccarthy would likely have his speakership threatened by the rightys if he did the right thing. However, if the Dems vote to help him keep his spot, he may act like an adult.
There is enough revenue each month to pay for the interest on the debt and no reason to pretend that there isn't unless you are idiots like the 37% that still believe that it's republicans' fault that Biden refused to speak to Republicans about this for Months. The 14th Amendment does not guarantee timely payments, only recognition of one wars' worth of debt. This is nonsense. Nobody is questioning the debt, they are questioning the apportionment of funds that put us even further into debt. This is not an Amendment 14 issue, he knows it, we all know it, even BP knows it.
If Biden doesn't get the Senate to pick up and vote for the extension passed by Congress for the debt limit, then he would have to direct his Treasurer to pay the interest and, like Obama, he would have to close down portions of the government that he could not pay for. He has no right to take over Congressional duties and powers and he would lose in the SCOTUS.
Last edited by Damocles; 05-24-2023 at 05:57 PM.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
It is bigger than that. If he allows Congress to determine his political agenda, then we have a Republican government. They are using the debt ceiling as a method of extortion. Biden has to stop it or the debt ceiling will determine our policies. The 14th does give him power. Why should Biden give in to extortion? It says "The validity of the debt of the US, shall not be questioned". Not paying what we owed is certainly doing that. here is the brain of the repub party explaining the debt ceiling.
Last edited by Nordberg; 05-24-2023 at 10:01 PM.
This is what Checks and Balances are. I know you don't like the constitution, but this is how it was designed to work. Being elected President does not make you a dictator, even if you have a "pen and a phone". The left is losing this argument. According to polls reported by CNN 60% agree that we should include spending reduction in this debt limit increase.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/polit...r%20Washington.
CNN
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Sixty percent of Americans say Congress should only raise the nation’s debt ceiling if it cuts spending at the same time, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, as the government’s June 1 “hard deadline” to avoid economic catastrophe looms large over Washington. Few see President Joe Biden or the Republicans in Congress as acting responsibly in negotiations over the debt limit, with most in both parties more concerned that their side will give up too much than that the United States will default on its debt.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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