Obama gets caught on tape

**Canceled2** · 08-06-2009, 09:43 AM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk"]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

**TuTu Monroe** · 08-06-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ice Dancer

YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

I'm not shocked. He's been lying about everything.

**Bonestorm** · 08-06-2009, 09:53 AM

The contents of the video don't support the title.

**Onceler** · 08-06-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by TuTu Monroe

I'm not shocked. He's been lying about everything.

Oh my goodness.

Including those middle class paychecks, right Tutu?

***Damocles*** · 08-06-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Onceler

Oh my goodness.

Including those middle class paychecks, right Tutu?

Hmmm... It seems to me he speaks of incrementalism. Like somebody we know on the board.

**Canceled2** · 08-06-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

Hmmm... It seems to me he speaks of incrementalism. Like somebody we know on the board.

He is absolutely desirous of eliminating private insurance. He is now using spin (otherwise known as lying) to say he is not after single payer...

**FUCK THE POLICE** · 08-06-2009, 04:58 PM

I want to eliminate private insurance, but I'm able to accept this plan because it's almost as good at reducing costs.

**SmarterthanYou** · 08-06-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

Hmmm... It seems to me he speaks of incrementalism. Like somebody we know on the board.

how many times have I said asshat wins all arguments.

**FUCK THE POLICE** · 08-06-2009, 05:02 PM

Obviously his positions changed over time as he decided to go down the route that was most politically pragmatic. There's nothing wrong with that. Obama has drifted to the right over the years, if not in his heart, just to get stuff done. Sometimes you have to realpolitik. If Obama had come out guns a-blazin proposing single-payer healthcare, he would've gotten absolutely nowhere. So he proposed a compromise system that had most of the positives of single-payer but addressed the (illegitimate) concerns of the right.

**TuTu Monroe** · 08-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ice Dancer

He is absolutely desirous of eliminating private insurance. He is now using spin (otherwise known as lying) to say he is not after single payer...

Yeah, it is a blatant lie, I have a tape where he says he DOES support single payer.

***Damocles*** · 08-06-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Watermark

Obviously his positions changed over time as he decided to go down the route that was most politically pragmatic. There's nothing wrong with that. Obama has drifted to the right over the years, if not in his heart, just to get stuff done. Sometimes you have to realpolitik. If Obama had come out guns a-blazin proposing single-payer healthcare, he would've gotten absolutely nowhere. So he proposed a compromise system that had most of the positives of single-payer but addressed the (illegitimate) concerns of the right.

Bull-pucky. He talked bout how it can't be done all in one shot, how it would have to be done over time...

It's incrementalism, exactly what Onceler speaks about here on this board. He didn't change plans, he simply began implementing them.

**apple0154** · 08-06-2009, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ice Dancer

YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

There are countries that have a single payer system (universal medical) and still utilize private "enterprises". Canada is one of them.

For example, blood tests. When a doctor orders blood tests one can get them done for free at a government clinic. Take a number and wait, maybe an hour or so, for the blood draw. Or one can go to a private clinic and be finished in 10 or 15 minutes and be down approximately $100.00 to $125.00.

If one is earning over $100/hr which is about $200,000/yr then it probably is beneficial for them to pay for the blood draw as they'll lose more money waiting at the government clinic than if they paid at a private one and returned to work.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

**Canceled2** · 08-06-2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by apple0154

There are countries that have a single payer system (universal medical) and still utilize private "enterprises". Canada is one of them.

For example, blood tests. When a doctor orders blood tests one can get them done for free at a government clinic. Take a number and wait, maybe an hour or so, for the blood draw. Or one can go to a private clinic and be finished in 10 or 15 minutes and be down approximately $100.00 to $125.00.

If one is earning over $100/hr which is about $200,000/yr then it probably is beneficial for them to pay for the blood draw as they'll lose more money waiting at the government clinic than if they paid at a private one and returned to work.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

ummmm, apple, the point was not that some countries have single payer systems.

**meme** · 08-06-2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by apple0154

There are countries that have a single payer system (universal medical) and still utilize private "enterprises". Canada is one of them.

For example, blood tests. When a doctor orders blood tests one can get them done for free at a government clinic. Take a number and wait, maybe an hour or so, for the blood draw. Or one can go to a private clinic and be finished in 10 or 15 minutes and be down approximately $100.00 to $125.00.

If one is earning over $100/hr which is about $200,000/yr then it probably is beneficial for them to pay for the blood draw as they'll lose more money waiting at the government clinic than if they paid at a private one and returned to work.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

the fuss is we are not a Socialist country, and don't want to be..We don't want to become a slave to the Federal Government, especially this one..
what is so hard to understand about that..