Mass shootings = symptoms of a much worse problem

[zymurgy]

Who but you mentioned faith? Fucking retard. You're right you are incapable of knowing.

all belief in the supernatural requires faith

[evince]

Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.

There is no middle when you are facing liars

[Into the Night]

yay, another bigot

You don't strike me as being particularly brilliant. Arrogance is not intellect, so I will not even ask how you think you know

Fallacy fallacy. I don't think you know what 'bigot' even means. You keep using that word in an invalid way.

Let me explain:
A compositional error is a logical fallacy (an error in logic similar to a math error, invalidating an argument). In this case, it is extending a property of a class improperly across the class or to the class itself.
Example: Imagine a bag of marbles. You pull out a white one. You immediately assume that all other marbles in the bag are white.
In this case, the class is a bag of marbles, and the property is the color.

When a compositional error involves the class being people, it is bigotry.
When the property being extended is a genetic trait, that is racism.

These two words can be easily defined in this way.

He made no compositional error fallacy. Neither did I. Yet you call 'bigotry' when it does not exist. The basis for this is assuming that anyone doing this is trying to force their religion upon others. That itself is bigotry. It is what YOU are doing.

I really don't give a flying fuck whether you worship God, a nameless and formless being (what agnostism is), demons and spirits in objects (Shintoism), Buddhism, or even believe in the Church of No God. You could worship magick rocks for all I care. Some people do (the crystal worshipers).

If you want to discuss religion and what is considered 'true', take it to the Religious forums. Here, I expect you to use English and not buzzwords. Here, I expect you to be reasonably civil and not spend your time derailing the thread while insulting others.

[evince]

all belief in the supernatural requires faith

Yes


And no facts

[zymurgy]

Fallacy fallacy. I don't think you know what 'bigot' even means. You keep using that word in an invalid way.

Let me explain:
A compositional error is a logical fallacy (an error in logic similar to a math error, invalidating an argument). In this case, it is extending a property of a class improperly across the class or to the class itself.
Example: Imagine a bag of marbles. You pull out a white one. You immediately assume that all other marbles in the bag are white.
In this case, the class is a bag of marbles, and the property is the color.

When a compositional error involves the class being people, it is bigotry.
When the property being extended is a genetic trait, that is racism.

These two words can be easily defined in this way.

He made no compositional error fallacy. Neither did I. Yet you call 'bigotry' when it does not exist. The basis for this is assuming that anyone doing this is trying to force their religion upon others. That itself is bigotry. It is what YOU are doing.

after you morons learn what faith means, we can talk

[Doc Dutch]

I agree with a lot of that. Let me ask you a question, do you think there are more guns now than 30-40 years ago? I havent researched it so i don't know. Any idea?

Yes, there are. Every time a Democrat President talks about banning guns, gun manufacturers cheer and ramp up production. First there was Clinton, then Obama and now Biden. Owners of gun manufacturer stock are rejoicing!

[Into the Night]

had you said atheism is a religion, I would of agreed - that also requires faith

agnosticism does not require faith, it requires a lack of faith

WRONG. Agnosticism is a belief that a god or gods may or may not exist, and cannot describe the characteristics of any such god or gods, should they actually exist. This itself is an act of faith.
You are making a circular argument to try to deny a circular argument. The other name for the circular argument is the argument of faith. ALL beliefs require faith.

Take your whining to the religious forum. It doesn't belong here. This thread is about a shooting in Nashville, not religious beliefs.

[zymurgy]

WRONG. Agnosticism is a belief that a god or gods may or may not exist, and cannot describe the characteristics of any such god or gods, should they actually exist. This itself is an act of faith.
You are making a circular argument to try to deny a circular argument. The other name for the circular argument is the argument of faith. ALL beliefs require faith.

Agnosticism is a lack of a belief. it is a null set that you are assigning a value, so you got it wrong

[The Sage of Main Street]

Stop trying to imply that guns are walking around killing people of their own volition.

It's NOT the guns; it's the Democrats.

if we disarm democrats, the murder rate would drop by 90%, especially in our major democrat urban areas.

Gatling Ghettos

The government-sponsored jungle enclaves might as well be called "machine-gun nests" for all the shooting the wild savages get away with. There should be no civil rights for the uncivilized.

[Into the Night]

Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.

Why the fuck does Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump mean anything?
Different conservatives reacted in different ways. A lot of them didn't give a shit. Bigotry.

[Into the Night]

of course it isn't one side - I used a simple exercise and baited the bigots on the right and you can see their vitriol go to 11 right away.

There's that buzzword again. Learn what 'bigotry' means.

[Into the Night]

all belief in the supernatural requires faith

All belief requires faith. The belief does not have to be in the 'supernatural'. Indeed, the use of the word 'supernatural' itself requires faith.

[zymurgy]

There's that buzzword again. Learn what 'bigotry' means.

I know what it means. I call a spade a spade

[zymurgy]

All belief requires faith. The belief does not have to be in the 'supernatural'. Indeed, the use of the word 'supernatural' itself requires faith.

a lack of a belief does not need faith

[Into the Night]

Yes


And no facts

Buzzword fallacy. Learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean 'Universal Truth'.