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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Thanks for the reference, disagreed on your application to "this forum". It's the people who are toxic or not. The people who "spread their own personal poison" are the ones at fault, not a forum.
    When the overwhelming members of a forum like this become toxic, the forum itself becomes so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Sounds about right.
    I got the same basic set of ethical maxims and aphorisms from reading The Analects, the Dhammapada, the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. But as a business model and marketing gimmick, it is a clever idea to compile those precepts and sell it under the rubric of 'ancient Toltec wisdom'.
    Perhaps. The value of the content is no less, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    When the overwhelming members of a forum like this become toxic, the forum itself becomes so.
    If you are saying the members make a forum toxic, I agree. If you are saying the existence of the forum makes people toxic, I disagree.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    If you are saying the members make a forum toxic, I agree. If you are saying the existence of the forum makes people toxic, I disagree.
    The former, not the latter.

    However, anonymity seems to bring out the worst in people, doesn’t it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.
    I believe that most people never even give it a thought.

    I very rarely do. The internet isn't the real world to me.
    If I were young, I'd find far better amusements--trust me.
    But I'm not, so here I am.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I believe that most people never even give it a thought.

    I very rarely do. The internet isn't the real world to me.
    If I were young, I'd find far better amusements--trust me.
    But I'm not, so here I am.
    I submit they do so without even giving it a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
    Hate
    Jealousy
    Envy
    Fear
    Guilt
    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?
    my memory of you is that of someone with extremely dishonest debate style. have you had a catharsis of sorts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    I submit they do so without even giving it a thought.
    i suppose that's often the case.
    We are what evolution made us, probably.
    Most of what we do is intuitive.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    The former, not the latter.

    However, anonymity seems to bring out the worst in people, doesn’t it?
    Agreed how anonymity can bring out the worst in people. This is mostly seen in the violent RWers who openly advocate murdering members of the forum or gleefully dance on the bodies of dead children because the killer was a tranny.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    my memory of you is that of someone with extremely dishonest debate style. have you had a catharsis of sorts?
    Dishonest? Never. Not once.

    Sometimes belligerent? Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
    Hate
    Jealousy
    Envy
    Fear
    Guilt
    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?
    This sight contains foreign bot holes designed to spread hate and lies to destroy American democracy


    We don’t fight people here


    We fight evil propaganda


    Face that fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    my memory of you is that of someone with extremely dishonest debate style. have you had a catharsis of sorts?
    See

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    This sight contains foreign bot holes designed to spread hate and lies to destroy American democracy


    We don’t fight people here


    We fight evil propaganda


    Face that fact
    cuckoo cuckoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    We do have that power. That’s the meaning of the Second Agreement.

    “Don’t take things personally”

    When one realizes that the toxicity of another’s word is nothing more than a reflection of themselves, one can easily let their comments pass without reaction.
    Which is not a good thing when it’s propaganda you are fighting


    Yes don’t take it personally


    But don’t ignore propaganda


    That is a huge mistake

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