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    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
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    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
    Hate
    Jealousy
    Envy
    Fear
    Guilt
    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?
    You rarely post here. Why bother complaining.

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    We have the power to make ourselves impervious to resentment, jealously, hate, anger. Some try to exercise the power.

    I hadn't heard of this book, but it sounds like the author just packaged up some tenets and maxims from Stoicism, Buddhism, Christianity, Daoism and just gave it a new nomenclature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You rarely post here. Why bother complaining.
    Don’t mistake an observation for a complaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Don’t mistake an observation for a complaint.
    Who cares. You rarely use the forum. No one misses you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    We have the power to make ourselves impervious to resentment, jealously, hate, anger. Some try to exercise the power.

    I hadn't heard of this book, but it sounds like the author just packaged up some tenets and maxims from Stoicism, Buddhism, Christianity, Daoism and just gave it a new nomenclature.
    Supposedly, it’s origins are from the Toltecs. But, your observation is pretty spot on regarding those philosophies.

    The Four Agreements:

    Be impeccable with your word.
    Don’t take things personally.
    Don’t make assumptions.
    Always do your best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Who cares. You rarely use the forum. No one misses you.
    Make no mistake. Whether you care or not is irrelevant.

    The observation stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Make no mistake. Whether you care or not is irrelevant.

    The observation stands.
    wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    We have the power to make ourselves impervious to resentment, jealously, hate, anger. Some try to exercise the power.

    I hadn't heard of this book, but it sounds like the author just packaged up some tenets and maxims from Stoicism, Buddhism, Christianity, Daoism and just gave it a new nomenclature.
    We do have that power. That’s the meaning of the Second Agreement.

    “Don’t take things personally”

    When one realizes that the toxicity of another’s word is nothing more than a reflection of themselves, one can easily let their comments pass without reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
    Hate
    Jealousy
    Envy
    Fear
    Guilt
    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    I don't hate anyone, I am not jealous or envious of anyone here or anywhere else, I have no fear of anyone here, I do not feel guilty about anything I have said here, and I have no regrets for the words I have spoken here.

    But thanks!

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?
    I am only here to help, and I have never spread any poison here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Supposedly, it’s origins are from the Toltecs. But, your observation is pretty spot on regarding those philosophies.

    The Four Agreements:

    Be impeccable with your word.
    Don’t take things personally.
    Don’t make assumptions.
    Always do your best.
    I read this book around the time it came out, late '90's. Probably the first book on spiritually I read after I openly questioned Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Supposedly, it’s origins are from the Toltecs. But, your observation is pretty spot on regarding those philosophies.

    The Four Agreements:

    Be impeccable with your word.
    Don’t take things personally.
    Don’t make assumptions.
    Always do your best.
    I think the only thing we know about the Toltecs is thorough archaeology and vague myth. I doubt we know anything substantial about their religion or ethical philosopy.

    But it might be a good gimmick to sell books on the premise of an ancient Toltec wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I think the only thing we know about the Toltecs is thorough archaeology and vague myth. I doubt we know anything substantial about their religion or ethical philosopy.

    But it might be a good gimmick to sell books on the premise of an ancient Toltec wisdom.
    As I read the various philosophies, they pretty much distill down to a few common concepts. If I could choose one, they all deal with the concept of ego as the common enemy for us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    From the book “The Four Agreements”, the First Agreement:

    “Be impeccable with your word.”

    Mostly, people use the power of their word to spread their own personal poison.

    Anger
    Hate
    Jealousy
    Envy
    Fear
    Guilt
    Resentment

    We use it against ourselves. To create division and distrust, fear and resentment, to seek revenge, to fix blame.

    That’s what this forum does. From start to finish. It’s toxic through and through.

    The question that then poses is why does one wish to be that way?
    Thanks for the reference, disagreed on your application to "this forum". It's the people who are toxic or not. The people who "spread their own personal poison" are the ones at fault, not a forum.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    As I read the various philosophies, they pretty much distill down to a few common concepts. If I could choose one, they all deal with the concept of ego as the common enemy for us all.
    Sounds about right.
    I got the same basic set of ethical maxims and aphorisms from reading The Analects, the Dhammapada, the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. But as a business model and marketing gimmick, it is a clever idea to compile those precepts and sell it under the rubric of 'ancient Toltec wisdom'.

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