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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Interesting guy, said he really liked trumps policies but, “wow what an asshole”.

    I don’t agree with him on a lot, but he was refreshingly, honest for a Washington insider. I was impressed by that.

    He said he doesn’t think they can get him on anything related to January 6, but he is in bad trouble on the classified documents.
    So Biden is in REAL TROUBLE over docs he illegally possessed since he was a Senator, etc.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    So Biden is in REAL TROUBLE over docs he illegally possessed since he was a Senator, etc.
    So you do not grok the differences, even yet. Biden and Pence found the classified documents and immediately returned them and cooperated with the FBI. They stepped aside and watched the FBI search anywhere they wanted. That is not what daffy Donald did. he kept hiding them. He lied to the FBI. He copied the classified docs. Trump acted and still acts as a thief. The other 2 cooperated as any person who was guilty of misplacing documents would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    So Biden is in REAL TROUBLE over docs he illegally possessed since he was a Senator, etc.
    Did Biden lie to investigators that he had already turned them over?
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    18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
    44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


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    I'm mildly curious, how many others were at this lunch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity View Post
    I'm mildly curious, how many others were at this lunch?
    It’s not likely that Bill Barr would sit down with a group that included the ambulance chaser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    So tell us which law makes it a crime to have classified information you don't know you have.
    That is what I keep asking and no one has yet informed me of such a law.
    Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    They were declassified. He declassified them when he declassified everything pertaining to the Russiagate scam
    Why has Trump refused to say in a court of law that he has declassified them?

    By the way, if you bothered to read the law then you would know having information that can be used to harm the US is the crime. It doesn't need to be classified. But the biggest problem for Trump is his refusal to comply with the subpoena which asked for documents with classification markings. If the document contains classification markings it is covered by the subpoena even if he had declassified it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    When you willfully smuggle it out of the SCIF you commit a felony. Now you tell me how Biden got it out of a SCIF accidentally. BAM you have been informed!

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924
    Where is your proof that Biden was the one that took it from a SCIF and not one of his aides?
    This wouldn't even make it to a jury with your evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    the one you want to use against Trump......
    You mean the ones that require willfully and knowingly retaining classified documents?
    Trump had a classified folder on his bedside table. Kind of hard to not know it was there since his lawyer claimed he used it to hide the light so he could sleep at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Why has Trump refused to say in a court of law that he has declassified them?

    By the way, if you bothered to read the law then you would know having information that can be used to harm the US is the crime. It doesn't need to be classified. But the biggest problem for Trump is his refusal to comply with the subpoena which asked for documents with classification markings. If the document contains classification markings it is covered by the subpoena even if he had declassified it.
    Trump de-classified the documents and he hasn't been asked in a court of law, dummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.
    Correct. Ignorance of the law is no excuse when people claim a law was broken. Perhaps they need to stop being ignorant of the law and actually read the law.
    Someone can't be found guilty of a law that requires willful intent if you can't prove willful intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Trump de-classified the documents and he hasn't been asked in a court of law, dummy.
    ROFLMAO. Actually, his lawyers were asked. They refused to make that claim.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-declassified
    But Dearie said that if Trump’s lawyers will not actually assert that the records have been declassified, and the department of justice makes an acceptable case that they remain classified, he will be inclined to regard them as classified.

    “As far as I’m concerned,” he said, “that’s the end of it.”
    https://time.com/6215223/special-mas...ts-classified/
    Trump has claimed publicly that he declassified the government records that were taken from Mar-a-Lago. Trump’s legal team has not made such an argument in ongoing litigation surrounding access to the documents, and in court filings on Monday his team said they opposed having to shortly disclose “specific information regarding declassification,” as the Justice Department (DOJ) had requested,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Correct. Ignorance of the law is no excuse when people claim a law was broken. Perhaps they need to stop being ignorant of the law and actually read the law.
    Someone can't be found guilty of a law that requires willful intent if you can't prove willful intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/specific_intent

    https://www.legalmatch.com/law-libra...nt-crimes.html
    specific intent crimes will require a prosecutor to prove that a defendant had both the desire to commit the act as well as the knowledge or intent that committing the act would achieve the end result.


    https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/wh...intent-crimes/
    While PC 470 uses the language, “intent to defraud,” other common intents listed in statutes include that the defendant acted:

    knowingly,
    purposely,
    willfully, or
    with recklessness.

    If an accused did not break the law with one of these intent elements, then he/she cannot be found guilty of a specific intent offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Trump de-classified the documents and he hasn't been asked in a court of law, dummy.
    Trump did not. There is a procedure and Trump certainly did not follow it. They were simply not declassified. I thought Trumpp was nuts when he said he could declassify everything by thinking about it. It seemed so stupid. I was certain nobody was dumb enough to think that made sense. We have a few people here who think that is how declassifying works. It is amazing.

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