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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You've been duped by rightwing media personalities.

    I was also told 40 years ago that SS wouldn't be there for me when I retired.
    Where did I say it wouldn't be there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Why not? It's expected everywhere else. George's privilege as a white man unfairly allowed him to make more money than a grandmother. If that's fair then people who work more hours than others and earn more as a result is fair.
    Retarded.

    You won't find one prominent liberal politician in the history of the United States who demanded everybody make exactly the same amount of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Why not? It's expected everywhere else. George's privilege as a white man unfairly allowed him to make more money than a grandmother. If that's fair then people who work more hours than others and earn more as a result is fair.
    I believe this is what is called the "slippery slope" or argumentum ad absurdum. The extremes of what you perceive is the Left's desire to offset systemic privilege. I don't think even the Left really thinks that we need to be full on Communist "From Each According to His Ability To Each According To His Need" approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Retarded.

    You won't find one prominent liberal politician in the history of the United States who demanded everybody make exactly the same amount of money.
    Then what is the "pay gap" about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Where did I say it wouldn't be there?
    When you said Ponzi scheme, which by definition are nefarious financial scams destined to collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Then what is the "pay gap" about?
    You must be brand new to politics.

    Equal pay for equal work

    It doesn't mean a dishwasher should make the same salary as a neurosurgeon. That's not equivalent work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quincunx View Post
    I believe this is what is called the "slippery slope" or argumentum ad absurdum. The extremes of what you perceive is the Left's desire to offset systemic privilege. I don't think even the Left really thinks that we need to be full on Communist "From Each According to His Ability To Each According To His Need" approach.
    I agree it's absurd but it's what passes as a leftist argument. That fact that you want to apply your logic ot only specific things at specific times tell us you have an agenda that is rooted in something other than what you claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You must be brand new to politics.

    Equal pay for equal work

    It doesn't mean a dishwasher should make the same salary as a neurosurgeon. That's not equivalent work.
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    You must be brand new to thinking

    Right and goerges male whiteness gave him greater opportunities than a grandmother and that is unfair is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Lifetime-benefit, starting at age 62:

    Retire @ 62 - $2,102/month
    Retire @ 65 - $2,683/month
    Retire @ 67 - $3,161/month
    Retire @ 70 - $4,022/month
    You are pretty close to what I am. I used my survivor benefit from my spouse until I reached full retirement age and switched over. SS is basically an afterthought for me, but it's nice that I don't have to think about healthcare, my Medicare Advantage premium comes out of my payment, and I get a little spending money once a month. I know some people are dependent on SS. Thank God it is in place and we didn't do something stupid like privatize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quincunx View Post
    I have yet to understand why the party that normally appeals more to the older American (GOP) would make so much noise about eliminating or limiting Social Security. I get that they want to shift everything over to the "free market" where someone else can make some scratch off of it rather than having it "help" people, but why would they needlessly antagonize the only voting base they can usually count on is beyond me.

    But corporate America already offloaded their pension obligations in preference to 401k's and forcing everyone into the "stock market" so that they could bankroll the finance folks to play fun "games" with the money and occasionally crater the economy, so I guess telling Americans that we are OFFICIALLY back in the "Gilded Age" is how the whole game plays out.
    Why? Because the puppet masters behind the GOP know that an aging voter base is a road to party destruction, so they are trying to appeal to younger voters. Younger voters are the ones still working, who are having that 7.65% deducted from each and every paycheck to support the current retirees. There is a lot of resentment among them because they're also being told that when THEY get our age, SS will be bankrupt. They'll supposedly have paid into it their entire working lives with nothing to show for it, according to the pro-privatization gang. One of my own kids has fretted about this. I told her that I've heard the exact same thing all MY life too. Yet here we are, still solvent, and we haven't had to move in with her yet. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Retarded.

    You won't find one prominent liberal politician in the history of the United States who demanded everybody make exactly the same amount of money.
    Yakuda's thinking is entirely binary. No dimmer switch, which is ironic, given just how dim the guy is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    They are told they might get a better benefit through the market. What they are not told is that entails greater risk. There simply is not greater ROI without greater risk. The financial gurus know this but are quiet about it when championing a market-based system to replace SS.

    The beauty of SS is that it is a secure system.

    The only thing it needs is more young workers. And guess what? They are clamoring to get into the USA and fulfill that role. Republicans are very fearful of this because they might all vote Democrat. So they are dehumanized and blamed for the things the rich and powerful have done to workers. And Fox viewers bought it hook line and sinker.

    It's so easy to sell hatred to the rumor-driven misinformed.
    What an excellent and righteous observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    I agree it's absurd but it's what passes as a leftist argument.
    No it doesn't. No one on the left is going that far. That is a mischaracterization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Starting at age 62, every year you defer your retirement, the SS benefit goes up by 12 percent annually.

    That's better than the rate of return on any investment, and it is provided as a lifetime benefit.
    this is hilarious.

    next, show us how well Enron was doing before that all came crashing down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    SS is calculated based on your work history, that's fair.

    You might be the first person in history to demand everyone get exactly the same SS benefit.
    Yakkety-Yuck seems confused as to how SS works. He doesn't seem to understand that benefits are capped once you reach a certain income level. So if the grandma made an average of, say, $150K a year in her working life, she would get the same monthly benefit that Mr. Soros would get. Now if he was a self-employed worker rather than an employee, he also would have paid into the system twice what Grandmother did as an employee. But each would still get the same monthly amount.

    This stuff is hard for Reichtards. lol
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