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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Yawn. Tell me when someone indicts Obama. That will happen..... never. You know why? HE DIDN'T COMMIT A FUCKING CRIME YOU KNUCKLEDRAGGING MORON.
    The Illegal and/or Unconstitutional Actions of President Barack Obama, Part 1
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Yawn. Your opinion is about as meaningless as it could possibly be. So is your fucking lame ass website. What a joke.

    Like I said. Don't commit a crime, you won't be indicted. It's that fucking simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    if the feds declined to indict trump, why would NY be able to do it? that being said, what I said was any state could go after Obama, if that state investigates and comes up with a crime that he committed..........
    LOL.. First there has to be some evidence of a crime before the investigation begins. An investigation that starts with evidence of a crime will quickly be thrown out of court even if they found evidence of the crime during the course of the investigation. There is that pesky little thing called the Constitution that grants rights to everyone, even ex-Presidents.

    In the case of Trump, his lawyer testified to Congress of possible crimes.
    If you have evidence of a crime by Obama, by all means tell us what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Yawn. Your opinion is about as meaningless as it could possibly be. So is your fucking lame ass website. What a joke.

    Like I said. Don't commit a crime, you won't be indicted. It's that fucking simple.
    and you stupidly think that everybody in the history of the nation that's ever been indicted has committed a crime??????

    you truly are ignorant and naive, at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    LOL.. First there has to be some evidence of a crime before the investigation begins. An investigation that starts with evidence of a crime will quickly be thrown out of court even if they found evidence of the crime during the course of the investigation. There is that pesky little thing called the Constitution that grants rights to everyone, even ex-Presidents.

    In the case of Trump, his lawyer testified to Congress of possible crimes.
    If you have evidence of a crime by Obama, by all means tell us what it is.
    another blind, ignorant, and witless fool has spoken........
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and you stupidly think that everybody in the history of the nation that's ever been indicted has committed a crime??????

    you truly are ignorant and naive, at best.
    No. But I am certainly not going to accept the judgement of some moron on the internet over the justice system. Stop whining, snowflake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    another blind, ignorant, and witless fool has spoken........
    Yes, you are all of that.
    The fact that you can't provide any evidence of a crime by Obama and claim he should be investigated without evidence shows you are all of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and you stupidly think that everybody in the history of the nation that's ever been indicted has committed a crime??????

    you truly are ignorant and naive, at best.
    Innocent people can and do get accused of a crime. Some even get convicted of a crime they didn't commit. But they get accused of a crime that actually or allegedly occurred like being accused of murder or rape. Someone may have falsely reported the crime but the investigation by authorities isn't started without some claim of the crime occurring and evidence being found that shows the crime did occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    No. But I am certainly not going to accept the judgement of some moron on the internet over the justice system. Stop whining, snowflake.
    a moron like you??? I wouldn't either.

    you really should take a step back and just see how willfully ignorant you are because of political leanings.............but, whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Yes, you are all of that.
    The fact that you can't provide any evidence of a crime by Obama and claim he should be investigated without evidence shows you are all of that.
    apparently you don't read very well either, because I only said that any state COULD......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Innocent people can and do get accused of a crime. Some even get convicted of a crime they didn't commit. But they get accused of a crime that actually or allegedly occurred like being accused of murder or rape. Someone may have falsely reported the crime but the investigation by authorities isn't started without some claim of the crime occurring and evidence being found that shows the crime did occur.
    you would be better served by staying silent and just being thought a fool instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/j...s-all-too-oft/

    Convicted of a crime that never occurred? It happens all too often, law prof says

    We are used to hearing about wrongful convictions in which a murderer walked free because an innocent person was misidentified. But when Jessica S. Henry, a professor at Montclair State University in New Jersey, was researching material for her course on wrongful convictions, she discovered that in one-third of all known exonerations, the conviction was wrongful because there had not even been a crime.

    This discovery paved the way for her new book, Smoke But No Fire: Convicting the Innocent of Crimes that Never Happened.

    In the book, Henry recounts stories of disappearances that were deemed to be murders until the living “victim” was discovered, natural deaths that were deemed suspicious because of faulty forensic science, and fabricated accusations that sent innocent people to jail.

    More importantly, Henry identifies the lapses at every stage of the justice system that can allow for these injustices to occur: from dishonest police officers to careless forensic labs, overzealous prosecutors, overworked defense attorneys, and overly permissive and underinformed judges. She also examines the forces at play that pressure innocent people into agreeing to plea deals in which they plead guilty to a crime that never happened. Unsurprisingly, marginalized people are most at risk of these no-crime wrongful convictions.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    apparently you don't read very well either, because I only said that any state COULD......................
    Any state COULD secede from the union. It doesn't mean they will or they will succeed in doing it.

    But nice attempt to walk back this statement by you..
    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    what you can almost guarantee with this is that every state will begin their own investigation in to presidents of opposing parties and find some crime that they can be charged with........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Yawn. Your opinion is about as meaningless as it could possibly be. So is your fucking lame ass website. What a joke.

    Like I said. Don't commit a crime, you won't be indicted. It's that fucking simple.
    Bear in mind when replying to Stupider Than Most that until January 7, 2021 his title under his screen name was Oathkeeper/Threeper. That tells you all you need to know about his allegiance to the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    you would be better served by staying silent and just being thought a fool instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/j...s-all-too-oft/

    Convicted of a crime that never occurred? It happens all too often, law prof says

    We are used to hearing about wrongful convictions in which a murderer walked free because an innocent person was misidentified. But when Jessica S. Henry, a professor at Montclair State University in New Jersey, was researching material for her course on wrongful convictions, she discovered that in one-third of all known exonerations, the conviction was wrongful because there had not even been a crime.

    This discovery paved the way for her new book, Smoke But No Fire: Convicting the Innocent of Crimes that Never Happened.

    In the book, Henry recounts stories of disappearances that were deemed to be murders until the living “victim” was discovered, natural deaths that were deemed suspicious because of faulty forensic science, and fabricated accusations that sent innocent people to jail.

    More importantly, Henry identifies the lapses at every stage of the justice system that can allow for these injustices to occur: from dishonest police officers to careless forensic labs, overzealous prosecutors, overworked defense attorneys, and overly permissive and underinformed judges. She also examines the forces at play that pressure innocent people into agreeing to plea deals in which they plead guilty to a crime that never happened. Unsurprisingly, marginalized people are most at risk of these no-crime wrongful convictions.
    Deaths are deaths.
    Because someone found a natural death to be suspicious doesn't make this a crime made up out of thin air. It simply means the evidence was circumstantial.
    People that are missing for a long period of time are assumed dead. There is even a legal process to get them declared dead. Once again, the evidence is circumstantial.
    In both instances, the evidence of an alleged crime existed before any person was investigated.

    What you are suggesting is not about starting with a death and then getting the evidence wrong. You are suggesting starting with nothing and manufacturing evidence. I would love to see where someone has been convicted of murder and the person allegedly murdered was known to be alive at the time of the conviction or even the arrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    a moron like you??? I wouldn't either.

    you really should take a step back and just see how willfully ignorant you are because of political leanings.............but, whatever.
    We litigate in court in this country. Don't like it? Get the fuck out, traitor. We don't litigate on the internet, or on some stupid fucking website. Get it, or is this concept also beyond your grasp?

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