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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    It came out of the Rennaissance in Europe, and particularly England where people tired of absolutist monarchies and other forms of authoritarian rule. Some of the earliest writers on this were people like Thomas Hobbs and John Locke. Their argument was that government ruled by consent of the governed, not by some divine right or fiat of power. They further argued that it was the individual that mattered and individuals had divine rights that couldn't be abridged. Others, like Adam Smith added the argument for free trade rather than stifling guilds and need for government permission to enter business. He saw monopolies and state-business collusion as an evil.

    Classical liberalism is the converse of modern liberalism.
    Seriously, Hobbes was a totalitarian. You need to actually read the people you cite.

    Hobbes argued AGAINST individual liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Seriously, Hobbes was a totalitarian. You need to actually read the people you cite.

    Hobbes argued AGAINST individual liberty.
    Okay, let's drop Hobbs from my statement. Doesn't change the gist of it one iota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Easy peachy
    Whats the actual fascist/fascism part?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Okay, let's drop Hobbs from my statement. Doesn't change the gist of it one iota.
    What was the gist, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    It's surprising if you still have all your digits you retard.
    It's obvious that you don't have and never have had any digits to lose, you being the pinhead that you are.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Whats the actual fascist/fascism part?
    Just quoted you, dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    What was the gist, then?
    That classic liberalism is rooted in individual rights, freedoms, and a free market. That government is derived from consent of the governed, not by fiat.

    Modern liberalism is the opposite arguing that society as a whole defines rights and government should control the market as part of that society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Just quoted you, dumbass.
    What makes it fascist? Tell me what's fascist about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    That classic liberalism is rooted in individual rights, freedoms, and a free market. That government is derived from consent of the governed, not by fiat.

    Modern liberalism is the opposite arguing that society as a whole defines rights and government should control the market as part of that society.
    I have never seen a modern liberal argue that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    It's obvious that you don't have and never have had any digits to lose, you being the pinhead that you are.
    I'm typing you retarded donkey fucking nimrod. Textbook retard ^^^^^^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I have never seen a modern liberal argue that.
    Actions speak louder than words.

    Are you for universal government run health care?
    Do you favor a government run retirement program that forces participation?
    I know you regularly not only disparage conservative news, articles, sources, but often argue they should be made illegal or shut down.

    That is, in part modern liberalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    What makes it fascist? Tell me what's fascist about it.
    You immediately accused him of being a fascist. Basic Fascism 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    That classic liberalism is rooted in individual rights, freedoms, and a free market. That government is derived from consent of the governed, not by fiat.

    Modern liberalism is the opposite arguing that society as a whole defines rights and government should control the market as part of that society.
    So GOP? I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actions speak louder than words.
    Ok, what actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I have never seen a modern liberal argue that.
    Then you can't or won't pay attention. You think there is a leftist that actually believes our rights come from the creator as stated in the D of I. Ive had leftists tell me the D of I is irrelevant and that govt provides rights. Obama bailed out banks back in the day. That's govt deciding which businesses succeed and which fail.
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