There are Two basic political ideologies: 'Individualism' & 'Collectivism'

[Libhater]

Short answer translation: Yes, Dutch, I want to disenfranchise all those with whom I disagree.

Please keep it short, 'Hater.

Hard to keep my penis shorter than the 10 inches it currently has.

[Doc Dutch]

Hard to keep my penis shorter than the 10 inches it currently has.

Translation: I've got nuthin' in my head or pants except a very strong hatred of Americans and a desire to see them murdered.

Figures, Libhater.

[martin]

Since the far right favors individual liberty and limited government, the minimum value logically belongs on the right side of the political spectrum. And since the left favors collective rights and virtually unlimited government power and control (which is an understatement), the maximum value logically belongs to the left.

One side favors individual rights and freedoms, starting with anarchism, and liberalism (in moving from right to left). The other (the Left) favors collective "rights" and "freedom," possessed only by groups of people nonexistent for the individual. These are the leftist ideologies of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, and socialism.

These basic facts don't look good for the far left, so they have to constantly work to confuse the issue. This is why the co-opted deceptive words like "liberal" and "progressive: because the people won't support them if they knew the truth.

In the Federalist, Eleanor Bartow made the case that we should not call the "left-liberal-progressives" liberals any longer, but we should call them leftists for "They are Intolerant, Divisive, and Anti-Liberty. She makes the point that authoritarians of the far-left are only trying to confuse the issue with their false "liberal" label.

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._liberals.html


As I've mentioned many times before on these forums, 'Classical Liberalism' is the exact opposite of today's left wing version of that 'liberal' term. There's nothing liberating about being a leftist. Absolutely NOTHING, and thus, my anti leftist liberalism moniker is a great sign for those who want to know the truth about the sad state of affairs that the leftist political party is doing to we freedom loving Americans and to America itself.

In the first place, individualism, as you are using the term, and collectivism refer to different disciplines. One relates to civil liberty, the other to economics. Even Marx favored civil liberty. Secondly, liberals invented individual liberty. It is the Right that typically threatens it, that replaces democratic governments with dictators. The Bill of Rights is considered the greatest liberal document of the 18th Century. Lincoln, who today's Right wingers ignorantly celebrate as one of their own was a liberal for his time. A good illustration of this is the politics of the South. It was in reaction against Lincoln and his perceived liberalism that the South became solidly Democrat for a hundred years. Then came Lyndon Johnson and the Civil Rights Act, and presto the South turned almost on a dime into the solid Republican South. Could go on with this but you probably miss the point so why bother.

[moon]

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ce%20the%20far

Individualism exists within collectivism. That's the power of progress.

[Doc Dutch]

Individualism exists within collectivism. That's the power of progress.

Agreed individualism exists within collectivism but it's always existed...at least on the tribal level.

[The Sage of Main Street]

cuckoo cuckoo

In College, the Student Lives Like a Child. So He Graduates Talking Like a Child.


You Diploma Dumbos are desperately in denial about the fact that college graduates are too Low-IQ to do the jobs their defective education gets for them.

[The Sage of Main Street]

In this country the two basic ideology are MAGA hate Nazi's #StupidSpeak and democrats.

I Do Nazi Grammar; You Do Not See Grammar



The "educated" Party doesn't even know that the plural is usually made by adding s, never by adding apostrophe s.

[The Sage of Main Street]

These dirtballs have no idea what classic liberalism is , The most well known classic liberal was Lincoln.

The First Republican President Sent Americans Off to Kill Their Fellow Americans on Behalf of Africans

[zymurgy]

In College, the Student Lives Like a Child. So He Graduates Talking Like a Child.


You Diploma Dumbos are desperately in denial about the fact that college graduates are too Low-IQ to do the jobs their defective education gets for them.

I worked at a meat packing plant to get a degree as a computer programmer. I agree, my degree was useless, and only served as a foot in the door to prove I was capable.

But none of that gets you off the hook for being a mouth breathing knuckle dragging moron

[zymurgy]

In the first place, individualism, as you are using the term, and collectivism refer to different disciplines. One relates to civil liberty, the other to economics.

you are a joke. honestly - you just make shit up. nothing you said above is even remotely accurate

The Bill of Rights is considered the greatest liberal document of the 18th Century.

funny - to the educated authors of the Constitution, The bill of rights was merely to placate stupid Americans that could barely read or write.

[martin]

you are a joke. honestly - you just make shit up. nothing you said above is even remotely accurate



funny - to the educated authors of the Constitution, The bill of rights was merely to placate stupid Americans that could barely read or write.

You imbeciles are all alike, making pronouncements with no argument to support them. Like the nitwit who started this threat grandly proclaiming that classical liberalism is nothing like modern liberalism.

At least you are among stupid friends in being placated by the Second Amendment.

[zymurgy]

You imbeciles are all alike, making pronouncements with no argument to support them. Like the nitwit who started this threat grandly proclaiming that classical liberalism is nothing like modern liberalism.

At least you are among stupid friends in being placated by the Second Amendment.

classical liberalism is nothing like modern liberalism. To even pretend people like John Locke would side with progressives today is hilarious

only a retarded fool would try to argue otherwise - but you are the fool that thinks the bill of rights is anything more than a response to uneducated citizens appearing to reject the constitution.

[martin]

classical liberalism is nothing like modern liberalism. To even pretend people like John Locke would side with progressives today is hilarious

only a retarded fool would try to argue otherwise - but you are the fool that thinks the bill of rights is anything more than a response to uneducated citizens appearing to reject the constitution.

Again the pronouncement(s) minus argument, this time adorning it by letting us know he's heard of John Locke.

[zymurgy]

Again the pronouncement(s) minus argument, this time adorning it by letting us know he's heard of John Locke.

"The Bill of Rights is considered the greatest liberal document of the 18th Century."

says the retard that wrote the above

meanwhile back in reality

“the government can only exert the powers specified by the Constitution.” - James Madison explaining why the bill of rights is dumb

[martin]

"The Bill of Rights is considered the greatest liberal document of the 18th Century."

says the retard that wrote the above

meanwhile back in reality

“the government can only exert the powers specified by the Constitution.” - James Madison explaining why the bill of rights is dumb

He means the federal government, genius. See if you can take it from there, particularly from Madison's time frame.