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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    How the fuck you come up with this bullshit is anyones guess. If the right favored individual liberty they would not be passing laws taking womens liberties away or passing laws on what can be taught in schools or banning books. Who told you the left favors unlimited government?

    no sense in addressing anything else in your post when your initial basic premise is a load of shit.
    What law is taking women's liberties away? If you're referring to abortion then you're either oblivious to or just plain ignorant of the fact that killing one's baby is indeed a crime, let alone being immoral ,and that no one should be in favor of giving a woman the liberty to kill her unborn. No surprise that you support the publishing of adult porn and sleazy tranny books and shows that are currently placed in schools and libraries that cater to and are available to--if not being taught by school teachers in grades K-6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Once again, in a child like manner, you are trying to conflate TWO separate and distinct definiens of collectivism.

    Public schools do NOT fit the political definition of collectivism. That is a fact you keep denying.
    2. the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.
    Who owns the land for public schools? - the state (The local government would be considered the state under the definition you provided.)
    who pays the workers in the public schools? - the state
    Who controls which books are used in public schools? - the state
    Who pays for all the books used in public schools? - the state
    Who sets the curriculum in public schools? - the state
    Who set the standards for production when they set the standards for graduation? - the state
    Who controls the means of producing educated students? - the state
    Unless you are arguing that public schools produce nothing it would appear that public schools fit nicely into your definition of collectivism.
    "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

    "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Public schools are NOT a means of production owned by the State. They are educational institutions. In most States you have the individual freedom to choose to home school, use private school, or use public schools.
    but education is still compulsory, which is based on collectivism

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    but education is still compulsory, which is based on collectivism
    The US military and the United States itself is based upon collectivism...but also with individuality. It's in our motto: E Pluribus Unum.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    You have been proven to be a fucking moron countless times and everyone here already knows it. You can't prove anything to a dipshit who denies fact continuously
    So in other words you can't prove anything. That's what I figured but it's always good to get confirmation. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    the closest thing America has to a nazi is a woke progressive.
    Preppy Progressives


    What's wrong with calling them "Commies"? The fact is that today, as always, Marxists come from the born-rich class you worship. Before World War II, the entitled guillotine-fodder used to be Nazis, too, but not anymore. In fact, the heiristocrats invented anti-semitism in order to blame the Jews for what they themselves have always done. Question someone from Stormfart about the privileges of richkids, such as draftdodging, and he's all for all of that for his divinely appointed Masters.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    What law is taking women's liberties away? If you're referring to abortion then you're either oblivious to or just plain ignorant of the fact that killing one's baby is indeed a crime, let alone being immoral ,and that no one should be in favor of giving a woman the liberty to kill her unborn.
    Palace Preachers


    "The unborn" is as much a weirdo creepy concept as "the undead." The class that Christofascists worship wants to stick working-class males with shotgun marriages or long-term child support that underpaid blue-collar workers can't afford.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Who owns the land for public schools? - the state (The local government would be considered the state under the definition you provided.)
    who pays the workers in the public schools? - the state
    Who controls which books are used in public schools? - the state
    Who pays for all the books used in public schools? - the state
    Who sets the curriculum in public schools? - the state
    Who set the standards for production when they set the standards for graduation? - the state
    Who controls the means of producing educated students? - the state
    Unless you are arguing that public schools produce nothing it would appear that public schools fit nicely into your definition of collectivism.
    Children are NOT "products" or "services" to be used and sold.


    Democrats Some things never change.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    but education is still compulsory, which is based on collectivism
    Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

    Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

    Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.
    ok - children do not have full rights - but the parents do.

    You are confused here - public vs private is irrelevant. compulsory schooling is obviously collectivism. society says we need to be educated - so the collective has a say over the individual parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Children are NOT "products" or "services" to be used and sold.


    Democrats Some things never change.
    Education is the product or service. Did you never get one? Is that why you don't understand what schools provide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

    Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.
    Individualism results in the government protecting people instead of people being self-reliant?
    "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

    "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    ok - children do not have full rights - but the parents do.

    You are confused here - public vs private is irrelevant. compulsory schooling is obviously collectivism. society says we need to be educated - so the collective has a say over the individual parents.
    Part of the individualism philosophy is do no harm to others, ... in this case children. Depriving them of an education is harmful.

    But the Political definition of collectivism is ...

    "the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.

    "the Russian Revolution decided to alter the course of modernity towards collectivism"
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Depriving them of an education is harmful.
    says the collective. it's textbook collectivism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    "the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.
    It's been redefined by its advocates and practitioners alike, but the reactionaries, always on the wrong side of history, haven't noticed.
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