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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I TOTALLY understand why it's deficient.

    First, it's riddled with unacceptable compromises required to unite incompatible colonies into a single republic.
    By my standards, the results are unacceptable.

    Second, it's written too much by landed gentry
    whose purpose for inciting the revolution was to avoid taxes to the crown which financially supported the colonization in the first place,
    and not enough by elite lawyers.

    Also an interesting point is
    why didn't our grade school teachers explain the revolution to us a little better than they did?
    Neef, the fact you don't understand why it hasn't been changed since the 1700s says a lot about you.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Neef, the fact you don't understand why it hasn't been changed since the 1700s says a lot about you.
    Again, I do understand..

    The founders did make a reasonable attempt at offering an amendment procedure.

    They couldn't anticipate the extent to which the new republic would become polarized,
    and their remedies require a level of consensus that neither of us will again see in our lifetimes.

    In the end, though, it all again comes down to getting off to a very bad start--uniting incompatible colonies under one republic.

    I confess to not having any idea
    of what this all says about me,
    the ancestors of whom were all on the other side of the ocean as it was all going down.

    You find it hard to understand, Oom,
    because you are such a total "true believer."

    True believers don't have the patience for detail or nuance.
    You're all too busy believing that God blessed America.

    I'm happy that you can enjoy such a simplified life, Oom,
    because caring about facts and detail can be really exhausting.
    Last edited by NiftyNiblick; 03-21-2023 at 08:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Again, I understand that as well.

    The founders did make a reasonable attempt at offering an amendment procedure.

    They couldn't anticipate the extent to which the new republic would become polarized,
    and their remedies require a level of consensus that neither of us will again see in our lifetimes.

    In the end, though, it all again comes down to getting off to a very bad start--uniting incompatible colonies under one republic.
    Human nature hasn't changed for at least 3000 years. I'm certain the Founders were fully aware of human nature...which explains why they set up our government as they did.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Human nature hasn't changed for at least 3000 years. I'm certain the Founders were fully aware of human nature...which explains why they set up our government as they did.
    You look at the same facts as I and arrive at a totally different conclusion from them.

    My mind works on the principle of Aristotelian logic.
    That's how I was brought up and educated.

    You obviously have a different operating system, the way Macintosh and PC are different.

    It's the only possible explanation for our difficulty in communicating.
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    Washington on parties.
    They hide corruption and divide the people.
    They lead at length to formal and permanent despotism.
    They gradually incline the mind to seek security in the absolute power of an individual leading to despotism.
    Trump is the result that George predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You look at the same facts as I and arrive at a totally different conclusion from them.

    My mind works on the principle of Aristotelian logic.
    That's how I was brought up and educated.

    You obviously have a different operating system, the way Macintosh and PC are different.

    It's the only possible explanation for our difficulty in communicating.
    Yet you're the one whining about it. Go figure.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Washington on parties.
    They hide corruption and divide the people.
    They lead at length to formal and permanent despotism.
    They gradually incline the mind to seek security in the absolute power of an individual leading to despotism.
    Trump is the result that George predicted.
    Absent the support of like minded activists in the form of political parties,
    please explain to me the nomination process of an alternate system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    maybe you can unstick your blue colored gearshift from your ass. anything you said is irrelevant to what I discussed, which is your willingness to accept word salad in order to declare a member of your preferred party as 'innocent'. The investigation isn't what cost hillary the election, it was the intelligence of the independent voter knowing that the FBI used word salad to exonerate negligence.
    Once again, you have to put words in my mouth. I didn't say she was 'innocent'. What I am saying is that she was not charged. Period. Full stop. The DOJ does not discuss cases in which the target is not charged. Comey broke that, and he did so twice. That's why we got Trump. But it is a FACT that Clinton was not charged. I don't have a blue gearshift. The first person I ever voted for for President was a Republican. I voted for a Republican Governor on three occasions, and I voted for Independents twice. I voted three times for a Republican candidate for US House, and twice for a Republican senate candidate. But today's Republican party is a shit show. I would not vote for a Republican for dog catcher.

    Bottom line, Clinton has never been charged with a crime. NEVER. Trump is going to be indicted multiple times. If you are too fucking stupid to recognize the difference, then I can't help you. And I suspect you ARE too fucking stupid to understand the difference. Maybe read a book once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Yet you're the one whining about it. Go figure.
    You seriously need to look up the meaning of "whining," Oom.
    You turn to it whenever you arrive at a dead end.

    You challenge me on my political views, and when I explain them, you accuse me of whining.
    I'll never understand you true believers and the logic-free thought processes that you deploy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You seriously need to look up the meaning of "whining," Oom.
    You turn to it whenever you arrive at a dead end.

    You challenge me on my political views, and when I explain them, you accuse me of whining.
    I'll never understand you true believers and the logic-free thought processes that you deploy.
    Whining = bitching A whiner is someone who laments things that are obvious or cannot be changed.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Whining = bitching A whiner is someone who laments things that are obvious or cannot be changed.
    This time it took you longer than usual to get back on my ignore list.
    You must be doing a lot of drunk posting, Oom.
    I wish I had more tolerance for it, but you always cross the line eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    This time it took you longer than usual to get back on my ignore list.
    You must be doing a lot of drunk posting, Oom.
    I wish I had more tolerance for it, but you always cross the line eventually.
    I promise to try harder next time but was busy with bigger dumbasses than you. Namely anymouse and Perry the Putz.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    This message is hidden because Doc Dutch is on your ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    I promise to try harder next time but was busy with bigger dumbasses than you. Namely anymouse and Perry the Putz.
    Mr. Tiny Penis,



    Can I be on that list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Absent the support of like minded activists in the form of political parties,
    please explain to me the nomination process of an alternate system.
    In fact, I often wondered what would replace parties. I suppose the power of parties would b diminished by more parties. When I was young, 3rd and 4th parties were in the debates. The League Of Women Voters who run them made rules about how much money you have to raise and how much of a following is required to get in the debates. In short, they removed the small parties from the stage entrenching a 2 party system.
    PBS has debates with only small parties and it is far more interesting and lively. They actually have ideas that do not make the rich richer. But absent the big stage, they are fading away.

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