We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

[Frank Apisa]

Me thinks you protest to much. Welfare boy. Go take a nap old man.

Allow me to repeat: You are a fucking moron. Methinks is the word you were looking for. Only a fucking moron uses that archaic construct as "Me thinks."

Your problem seems to be that you do not think. I suspect that is probably because you can't think.

[Lightbringer]

If it's one entity paying then it is quite literally SINGLE PAYER.

Doesn't matter who is administering it, it's still just one single payer for all medical claims.

It doesn't sound to me like you know what words mean.

I know words better than you do. I also understand context. You're saying that the government should pay the bills which leaves the individual receiving said "health care" out of the loop because that single American has nothing to so with the funding of their "single payer" healthcare.

How fucking evil are you?

[Theywillneverlearn!]

Allow me to repeat: You are a fucking moron. Methinks is the word you were looking for. Only a fucking moron uses that archaic construct as "Me thinks."

Your problem seems to be that you do not think. I suspect that is probably because you can't think.

All me to repeat Frank. You are a white, broke, welfare collecting democrat. Kill yourself. Now would be good.

[Concart]

this is a very good example of why Democrats shouldn't be in charge of sewage plants......they don't know shit about how markets work. All they can do is centralize power, enable corruption, enrich their buddies, and rob the commoners.

What plan do you support, and why?

[SmarterthanYou]

What plan do you support, and why?

you seem to believe that you're some expert in economics, so what happens when one very large company puts limitations on how their suppliers can do business? for example, walmart/sams club sells bulk items for cheaper because they promise to buy a majority of the suppliers product, so long as the supplier doesn't give competing buyers the same price reduction?

the same happens with the health insurance industry. major insurance companies provide lower costs to select providers, so long as those providers don't accept patients with competing industry players............

congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce and could put an end to that predatory scheme that adversely affects patients, why won't they?

[LV426]

I know words better than you do.

Apparently not since you don't seem to know what the words "single" and "payor" mean.

I also understand context

I don't think you do understand "context". I think it's another word you don't know, like "single" or "payor".

You're saying that the government should pay the bills

No, I'm saying government should administer the reimbursement to the providers. It's still your money you're paying in premiums via payroll taxes.

which leaves the individual receiving said "health care" out of the loop

You're not in the loop now, so what the fuck are you babbling about?

All costs of your treatment have already been worked out by your provider and your insurer before you even see your doctor.

You can also only go to the providers within your network unless you want to waste your money and pay out of pocket for an out of network provider.

So what "loop" are you talking about here? Because you're not being articulate or coherent.

single American has nothing to so with the funding of their "single payer" healthcare.

They are funding it by paying payroll taxes instead of monthly premiums, so what the fuck are you talking about??

I'm convinced you have no fucking idea how our health care system works, and that you don't seem to want to know.

[Concart]

you seem to believe that you're some expert in economics, so what happens when one very large company puts limitations on how their suppliers can do business? for example, walmart/sams club sells bulk items for cheaper because they promise to buy a majority of the suppliers product, so long as the supplier doesn't give competing buyers the same price reduction?

the same happens with the health insurance industry. major insurance companies provide lower costs to select providers, so long as those providers don't accept patients with competing industry players............

congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce and could put an end to that predatory scheme that adversely affects patients, why won't they?

I am also an expert on Medicare Advantage. Works just fine. We have the worst outcomes and the lowest life expectancy of any industrialized nation, and we spend more on health care. So an intelligent person would conclude that our system doesn't work. But not you. Do the math.

You don't understand healthcare at all, so you should probably just STFU. Healthcare expenditures are unique, they are not like other market providers, because people can choose to forgo or delay healthcare. Which in the end causes far worse outcomes. We are also far behind the curve in end of life care. Obama suggested that end of life counseling would lower healthcare costs (because it will), and you fucking morons called it death panels. Ignoring, of course, the fact that there are already death panels, insurance companies call it utilization management.

If you want to debate healthcare, bring it on, pal.

[Nordberg]

Our system is ridiculous. We have insurance companies, that have no product. They just come between you and your healthcare. They are for profit, so denying care is good for their bottom line. Our healthcare is far more expensive than other nations and they cover all their people. https://healthsystemsfacts.org/?gcli...RoCs80QAvD_BwE We are at the bottom of industrial countries. Our system is horribly flawed.

[SmarterthanYou]

I am also an expert on Medicare Advantage. Works just fine. We have the worst outcomes and the lowest life expectancy of any industrialized nation, and we spend more on health care. So an intelligent person would conclude that our system doesn't work. But not you. Do the math.

You don't understand healthcare at all, so you should probably just STFU. Healthcare expenditures are unique, they are not like other market providers, because people can choose to forgo or delay healthcare. Which in the end causes far worse outcomes. We are also far behind the curve in end of life care. Obama suggested that end of life counseling would lower healthcare costs (because it will), and you fucking morons called it death panels. Ignoring, of course, the fact that there are already death panels, insurance companies call it utilization management.

If you want to debate healthcare, bring it on, pal.

I understand healthcare quite well, from a physicians and nurses POV.................I see you still can't divorce yourself from the idiot idea that i'm somehow in line with the 'right' on everything.........it's pretty sad that you get so triggered by that, that backsliding in to the i'm a trumper pattern is all you have.

[SmarterthanYou]

Our system is ridiculous. We have insurance companies, that have no product. They just come between you and your healthcare. They are for profit, so denying care is good for their bottom line. Our healthcare is far more expensive than other nations and they cover all their people. https://healthsystemsfacts.org/?gcli...RoCs80QAvD_BwE We are at the bottom of industrial countries. Our system is horribly flawed.

then why do you praise and support a system that does nothing more than make the health insurance companies wealthier????

[Concart]

I understand healthcare quite well, from a physicians and nurses POV.................I see you still can't divorce yourself from the idiot idea that i'm somehow in line with the 'right' on everything.........it's pretty sad that you get so triggered by that, that backsliding in to the i'm a trumper pattern is all you have.

So you know nothing about the payer side. Thanks for admitting that, it was obvious to me. If you think you trigger me you have an exaggerated opinion of yourself. Seems you have a habit of putting words in my mouth so you can build your little strawmen. Yes, you align yourself with the right on EVERYTHING including those things that libertarians don't align with them, so calling yourself a libertarian is laughable. You align with the oathkeeper, 3%er, Proud Boys white nationalist traitors. Doesn't really matter what you call yourself. However, those things you claim I've said I never did. Makes you a liar, I suppose, which is no surprise given your lack of character and integrity.

I notice rather than address what I said, you went straight for the adhom. You are ignorant, so trolling is probably the best role for you. Carry on.

[Concart]

then why do you praise and support a system that does nothing more than make the health insurance companies wealthier????

Speaking for myself, I don't support it. I want single payer. You don't, but you seem unable to articulate why you don't.

[SmarterthanYou]

So you know nothing about the payer side. Thanks for admitting that, it was obvious to me. If you think you trigger me you have an exaggerated opinion of yourself. Seems you have a habit of putting words in my mouth so you can build your little strawmen. Yes, you align yourself with the right on EVERYTHING including those things that libertarians don't align with them, so calling yourself a libertarian is laughable. You align with the oathkeeper, 3%er, Proud Boys white nationalist traitors. Doesn't really matter what you call yourself. However, those things you claim I've said I never did. Makes you a liar, I suppose, which is no surprise given your lack of character and integrity.

I notice rather than address what I said, you went straight for the adhom. You are ignorant, so trolling is probably the best role for you. Carry on.

why is everything 'black and white' to you? is that all your two dimensional mind is capable of?

[Concart]

why is everything 'black and white' to you? is that all your two dimensional mind is capable of?

Far from it. You can't even see the nuance. You are simply as dumb as a post. Very hard to get through your concrete brain. I want a single payer system that continues to utilize insurance companies for the 'extras'. Medicare for all. Nothing black and white about that, but you can't see it. I doubt you even understand it. So far, you have PROPOSED nothing. You just constantly whine and complain about things you don't like, but you are completely devoid of solutions.

[Frank Apisa]

All me to repeat Frank.

The word you should have used in that sentence, you fucking moron, is allow"...not "all" you fucking moron.

You are a white, broke, welfare collecting democrat. Kill yourself. Now would be good.

I am white, but I am not broke. I did live most of my life at or near the poverty line, but did so by choice. I now am doing just fine financially.

I have never collected welfare...and I am not a Democrat.

I love when you post, because you show just how ignorant the people on the far right can be.

Keep coming back for more, Sucker. I love dishing it out.