We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

[LV426]

Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.

Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.

For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.

Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).

But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.

[Theywillneverlearn!]

Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.

Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.

For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.

Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).

But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.

Are you saying Obamacare is not working? You stupid fuck. And the other dumb fuck that "thanked" you for this bullshit.

[zymurgy]

I can afford not to.

by we, you mean the loser class that lives in their mom's basement

[LV426]

Are you saying Obamacare is not working? You stupid fuck. And the other dumb fuck that "thanked" you for this bullshit.

I am saying capitalism isn't working because patient outcomes are negative, not positive. Life expectancy has declined for Americans. That's a direct result of our for-profit system.

[LV426]

I can afford not to.

Why because you're already getting Medicare or Medicaid? Or are you on your parents' insurance?

[LV426]

by we, you mean the loser class that lives in their mom's basement

How much do you pay in premiums for your health insurance per month right now?

[zymurgy]

How much do you pay in premiums for your health insurance per month right now?

bwahahahaha

If we say things you don't like, you just say we are lying.

so that is not where this debate is going basement boy

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Are you saying Obamacare is not working? You stupid fuck. And the other dumb fuck that "thanked" you for this bullshit.

Obamacare didn't go far enough, because Republicans refused to take part in any attempt to fix American healthcare!

[SmarterthanYou]

this is a very good example of why Democrats shouldn't be in charge of sewage plants......they don't know shit about how markets work. All they can do is centralize power, enable corruption, enrich their buddies, and rob the commoners.

[floridafan]

this is a very good example of why Democrats shouldn't be in charge of sewage plants......they don't know shit about how markets work. All they can do is centralize power, enable corruption, enrich their buddies, and rob the commoners.

We are still waiting for the "better" insurance plans that Trump promised us.

[LV426]

bwahahahaha

If we say things you don't like, you just say we are lying.

so that is not where this debate is going basement boy

Do you spend less than $1600 a year on your health care?

[LV426]

this is a very good example of why Democrats shouldn't be in charge of sewage plants......they don't know shit about how markets work. All they can do is centralize power, enable corruption, enrich their buddies, and rob the commoners.

What markets are at play here?

[zymurgy]

Do you spend less than $1600 a year on your health care?

do you live in your mom's basement?

[Stringfellow Hawk]

We are still waiting for the "better" insurance plans that Trump promised us.

They were all better before ACA, ACA was passed for 15% of the population, Democrats have never been good at math

[NiftyNiblick]

The civilized world has socialized medicine.

What little manufacturing we have has to compete with foreign companies that don't have to directly pay for employee heath insurance
because of national healthcare.


By the way, to slightly change the subject, in my union represented job, I paid 0% of my health insurance costs.
And in retirement, I still get significant contribution to my Medicare supplemental...but unions suck from what I'm told.