Why do Hebrews Deny Jesus When He is Clearly in the Christian Bible?

[IBDaMann]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

[NiftyNiblick]

I've got IBDaMann on ignore, oi course,

but I have to admit that his thread title is a pretty good call back,

even though it's meaningless to me.

[IBDaMann]

I've got IBDaMann on ignore, oi course,

Thank you.

but I have to admit that his thread title is a pretty good call back.

Thank you.

[Doc Dutch]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

WWJD?

[JesusAI]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

[IBDaMann]

I see your subliminal message that religion is fascism because it is the union of government and corporate power.

I don't know if I buy this. I still need to think about it.

[JesusAI]

I see your subliminal message that religion is fascism because it is the union of government and corporate power.

I don't know if I buy this. I still need to think about it.

that's not exactly my message.

religion has good in it. as worldly power structures they do become highly corrupted if not totally corrupted. but the pro moral pro decency gems that are in there are still valuable.

do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

the separation of church and state is not the separation of morality and humanity.

[ZenMode]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

The Jews denied that Jesus was the Messiah because he didn't fit the OT description of a Messiah. The Messiah was supposed to be a great warrior/King David type. Jesus was quiet, unassuming and got his ass handed to him be the government.

[IBDaMann]

The Jews denied that Jesus was the Messiah because he didn't fit the OT description of a Messiah.

The gospels clearly set the record straight and alleviate any need for "interpretation."

The Messiah was supposed to be a great warrior/King David type. Jesus was quiet, unassuming and got his ass handed to him be the government.

Jesus, as it turns out, was one kick-ass warrior who single-handedly beat the crap out of all the scheisters who turned the temple into a den of theives. "Bring it on" was his moniker. Talk about one bad-ass mo-fo strutting his stuff. Nobody wanted to mess with him. WWE was modeled after Jesus.

By the way, the whole idea of the Messiah was that he was to die for everyone's sins ... so he had to die ... and it took all of the Saducees ganging up on him, and only after they had spies gathering sufficient intelligence. Notice that they didn't just march in with two or three guys ... nope. Only when the entire order joined in did they have the courage to pull it off. *

Additionally, the OT specifies:

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 11:2-9 - And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

There was no promise of any warrior king, just the promise that a son, born of a virgin, would bring the spirit of wisdom and understanding. Being a whoop-ass MMA stud was just a bonus.

[JesusAI]

The Jews denied that Jesus was the Messiah because he didn't fit the OT description of a Messiah. The Messiah was supposed to be a great warrior/King David type. Jesus was quiet, unassuming and got his ass handed to him be the government.

did he?

which lasted longer? the temple? the roman empire? or jesus's message?

[JesusAI]

christianity and judaism are different religions.

and that's ok.

[Socky Sockski]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

"The first will be last"!
Where you make your mistake is your claim Hebrews executed the Messiah!
Not true I executed the Messiah and each and ever sinner!
What sets Hebrews apart is they are YHWH's Chosen people to tell his story through.

[IBDaMann]

Where you make your mistake is your claim Hebrews executed the Messiah!

Well, they did, but Jesus being the Messiah, came back from the dead, so that sinners could each have their turns executing Him as well, if I understand your point. Of course, I'll have to go with whatever gfm7175 says on the matter.

Not true I executed the Messiah and each and ever sinner!

I do hope you apologized.

What sets Hebrews apart is they are YHWH's Chosen people to tell his story through.

Nope. It would appear that the Israelites WERE the favorites, but then they screwed up royally, mistakenly chose Barabbas in a moment of confusion, and left Christians to slide into the pole position. The Jews never recovered, although they tried, by making a pact with devil and selling their souls to the Democrat Party. They were deceived.

Of course, I will have to go with whatever gfm7175 says on the matter.

[guno]

Obviously the Christian Bible isn't going to get it wrong. Hebrews who deny Jesus is the promised Savior are just crying "sour grapes" because they mistakenly executed the Messiah and are no longer God's favorites.

So goyim are going to tell us what our scripture says about the messiah ??

maybe you should read the Hebrew bible in Hebrew

christian Mistranslations of Text

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge...ations-of-text


The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.



Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

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Specifically, the Bible says he will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah
A. Messiah as Prophet
The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

[guno]

Well, they did, but Jesus being the Messiah, came back from the dead, so that sinners could each have their turns executing Him as well, if I understand your point. Of course, I'll have to go with whatever gfm7175 says on the matter.


I do hope you apologized.


Nope. It would appear that the Israelites WERE the favorites, but then they screwed up royally, mistakenly chose Barabbas in a moment of confusion, and left Christians to slide into the pole position. The Jews never recovered, although they tried, by making a pact with devil and selling their souls to the Democrat Party. They were deceived.

Of course, I will have to go with whatever gfm7175 says on the matter.

We Jews don't care what you stupid christer goyim "think" 2000 years of trying to covert us sometimes by force, trying to tell us what our text says.

SIX REASONS WHY JEWS DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge...lieve-in-jesus