The Ethics of Suicide

[Saint Guinefort]

What book? It was an essay. It is easy to show up your ignorance.

It's a book. Essays can be books.

And why don't you tell them what Camus concluded (if you read it)

[Saint Guinefort]

They may or may not be suffering, this must be established on a case by case basis, dont assume.

What does this mean?

[Hawkeye10]

What does this mean?

You dont operate at my level, and I am not doing remedial work.

[Saint Guinefort]

You dont operate at my level, and I am not doing remedial work.

You are correct. I am not operating at the bottom of the barrel.

[BidenPresident]

It's a book. Essays can be books.

And why don't you tell them what Camus concluded (if you read it)

An essay is not a book. Let me know when you want me to stop humiliating you.

[BidenPresident]

I did understand it. I'm not surprised that you did not. I think it would be a waste of time trying in vain to explain it to you so I'm happy with you simply not understanding it. I can understand your frustration at being unable to grasp really easy stuff, but we all have to draw the line somewhere.

zzzzzzzzz

[ThatOwlWoman]

In The Myth of Sisyphus, the 20th century French-Existentialist Albert Camus wrote, “There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy. All the rest— whether the world has three dimensions, whether the mind has nine or twelve categories—comes afterwards.”

https://www.philosophersmag.com/essa...ics-of-suicide

I don't understand the dilemma. Your life is your life. If you desire to end it in battle against insurmountable odds, suicide by cop, Harikari, smoking/drinking/drugging yourself to death, or via euthanasia should you be fortune enough to live where that is legal -- what business is it of mine or anyone else?

[BidenPresident]

I don't understand the dilemma. Your life is your life. If you desire to end it in battle against insurmountable odds, suicide by cop, Harikari, smoking/drinking/drugging yourself to death, or via euthanasia should you be fortune enough to live where that is legal -- what business is it of mine or anyone else?

I agree. Although I generally agree with Aristotle, he argued that suicide harms the community and is therefore unethical.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I agree. Although I generally agree with Aristotle, he argued that suicide harms the community and is therefore unethical.

That's the Christian -- esp. Catholic -- POV as well. Boils down to "You're here, your job is to do stuff and suffer along with the rest of us." (kind of only joking a bit)

Funny how we honor those who suicide for some 'greater cause' but despise those who opt out as cowards, isn't it?

[BidenPresident]

That's the Christian -- esp. Catholic -- POV as well. Boils down to "You're here, your job is to do stuff and suffer along with the rest of us." (kind of only joking a bit)

St. Thomas built his theology on Aristotle.

But the Christian idea is rather sadistic. They think you are rejecting God's gift of life.

[ThatOwlWoman]

St. Thomas built his theology on Aristotle.

But the Christian idea is rather sadistic.

Suffering here so you can maybe go to Heaven is fucking nuts, but then I'm not a Christian so what do I know? lol

What is your POV on suicide?

[BidenPresident]

Suffering here so you can maybe go to Heaven is fucking nuts, but then I'm not a Christian so what do I know? lol

What is your POV on suicide?

My position is similar to yours, I agreed with your first statement.

States are finally coming around to legalizing assisted suicide. You may be familiar with Dr. Kevorkian.

[IBDaMann]

I don't understand the dilemma. Your life is your life. If you desire to end it in battle against insurmountable odds, suicide by cop, Harikari, smoking/drinking/drugging yourself to death, or via euthanasia should you be fortune enough to live where that is legal -- what business is it of mine or anyone else?

There ARE other stakeholders. There really would be no issue if there were no mess left behind, which would be more likely if it were legal and could be properly planned.

[IBDaMann]

zzzzzzzzz

Your mind at max settings.

[NiftyNiblick]

In The Myth of Sisyphus, the 20th century French-Existentialist Albert Camus wrote, “There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy. All the rest— whether the world has three dimensions, whether the mind has nine or twelve categories—comes afterwards.”

https://www.philosophersmag.com/essa...ics-of-suicide

I think it's much, much simpler than that.

Are, by your own judgment, the rewards of your life adequate compensation for the travails?
If the answer, using your own benchmarks, is no, then the honest reality is that your life is a net-negative experience.
This net-negative status probably accounts for literally billions of human lives taking place right now.

Step two is to determine whether this net-negative experience is best addressed by terminating it of your own volition
or by dealing with it in another way. In the making of this decision, once again, no other values are relevant but your own.

One thing is for certain. A society that does not sanction humane euthanasia or assisted-suicide is lightyears away from becoming civilized--and that includes ours.

the value of human life is not absolute.
It's to be appraised in qualitative terms like the value of anything else.