Guns, Guns and more guns.

[WinterBorn]

It would please me. Guns made America into a shooting gallery. We do not have to live like this. No other nation does. Having children go through active shooter drills, does not bother you? The mass shootings as a daily occurrence do not bother you?

The US is a violent culture. Without guns we still have more deaths by knife or beatings. And given the continuous flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into this country, there is no way we could stop a similar flow of firearms. Except those would all be for criminals, while the law abiding citizen would be defenseless.

[cawacko]

The US is a violent culture. Without guns we still have more deaths by knife or beatings. And given the continuous flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into this country, there is no way we could stop a similar flow of firearms. Except those would all be for criminals, while the law abiding citizen would be defenseless.

WB making his way back to this portion of the board!!! Welcome back brother!!!

[NiftyNiblick]

The US is a violent culture. Without guns we still have more deaths by knife or beatings. And given the continuous flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into this country, there is no way we could stop a similar flow of firearms. Except those would all be for criminals, while the law abiding citizen would be defenseless.

The discussion, however, is mostly about banning large magazine para-military weapons commonly referred to, correctly or incorrectly, as "assault rifles."

Only the most gun-paranoid extremists even discuss a total abolition of civilian firearms ownership.

One doesn't need fifteen rounds to hunt or defend one's home,
but they come in real handy if you want to shoot up a school, shopping mall, or concert.

Insisting that one is entitled to own such a weapon is really digging in as a libertarian,
but at the same time, not making oneself part of the discussion
about reasonable legislation. That makes unreasonable legislation more likely.

[WinterBorn]

WB making his way back to this portion of the board!!! Welcome back brother!!!

Thank you, brother. I got fed up with the other site I was on.

[cawacko]

Thank you, brother. I got fed up with the other site I was on.

If memory serves correctly you stopped posting here (this portion of the board) before the board got overrun with trolls. Just being real, you'll likely get fed up here real quickly as well. But hey, I hope you stick around and contribute to positive change.

[Nordberg]

The US is a violent culture. Without guns we still have more deaths by knife or beatings. And given the continuous flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into this country, there is no way we could stop a similar flow of firearms. Except those would all be for criminals, while the law abiding citizen would be defenseless.

How does that make sense? There are more guns than people in the US, Note the mass killings, done by law biding citizens until suddenly they weren't. Same for"I am a responsible gun owner, " until your kid shows up at school with one. Guns get loose. Guns get used in anger. Guns are used for mass killings. Guns are the problem.

[Uncensored2008]

Why? This has not been discussed at length on these page already?

The AR-15 civilian version is an M-16 without the three-shot burst.
It's a military weapon, and military weaopory doesn't belong in the hands of goobers.

This is a military weapon, used by the United States Army.



This is not - and has NEVER been used by any branch of the United States Military.

Any questions?

[Uncensored2008]

If that's true, I have never been a part of that and have never taken that position.

It's an unfortunate over-reaction to maniacs shooting up schools and nightclubs with AR-15s.

We could come to agreement on these issues if both sides didn't have people carrying things too far.

Even though they didn't actually use AR-15's in most of those shootings.

It may be a surprise to you that this is NOT an AR-15,



Nor is this;

[Saint Guinefort]

This is not - and has NEVER been used by any branch of the United States Military.

Any questions?

I've always been fascinated by the AR-15 and other "assault style" rifles. They are clearly made to LOOK very military. But I have heard as you stated that they are not really related to any military hardware.

But the look of them is what is attracting gun enthusiasts. I grew up around guns and even I think those are cool looking. But I see ZERO need for that kind of armament. What is the point? Why go to such lengths to make it look all menacing and military? I assume that is why gun nuts also like them. They are often mentally deranged and feel a need to be a "big man" but they probably can't get ahold of actual military hardware so they go for this one. It makes them FEEL manlier.

That's the heart of America's gun problem: we have too many people who are stuck in infancy and want the gun to make them feel a certain way. It's not a healthy relationship with ANY tool, let alone one that is engineered to put holes in living things until the living things stop being living things.

[WinterBorn]

If memory serves correctly you stopped posting here (this portion of the board) before the board got overrun with trolls. Just being real, you'll likely get fed up here real quickly as well. But hey, I hope you stick around and contribute to positive change.

Eh, there are trolls everywhere I think. Better the trolls I know.

[WinterBorn]

How does that make sense? There are more guns than people in the US, Note the mass killings, done by law biding citizens until suddenly they weren't. Same for"I am a responsible gun owner, " until your kid shows up at school with one. Guns get loose. Guns get used in anger. Guns are used for mass killings. Guns are the problem.

There are over 300,000 private, law abiding gun owners in the US. There are less than 10,000 gun related murders per year (closer to 9,000). If every gun murder was committed by a legally owned gun, that would still mean less than 1% of gun owners murdered anyone.

If there must be some sort of ban, then ban the high capacity magazines themselves. I don't believe it will change anything. It certainly didn't before. Before Clinton's assault rifle ban, mass shootings accounted for just under 1% of the gun murders. During the ban, it still amounted to under 1%.

[Into the Night]

The US is a violent culture. Without guns we still have more deaths by knife or beatings. And given the continuous flow of drugs and illegal immigrants into this country, there is no way we could stop a similar flow of firearms. Except those would all be for criminals, while the law abiding citizen would be defenseless.

Sorry dude, the US enjoys a much lower homicide and crime rate than many other nations. Source:UNODOC, FBI

[Into the Night]

That lever action you talked about no one wanting to take from you was a military weapon as well. So were muzzle loaders.

But the military M16 was a selective fire weapon, capable of firing at full auto. The AR15 is just another semi-auto rifle. But the appearance disturbs anti-gunners.

It is legal to own an M16 as well.

[Into the Night]

The discussion, however, is mostly about banning large magazine para-military weapons commonly referred to, correctly or incorrectly, as "assault rifles."

Unconstitutional. The AR-15 isn't even a military weapon. There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle. It is legal to own an M16 as well.

Only the most gun-paranoid extremists even discuss a total abolition of civilian firearms ownership.

So you are talking about Biden.

One doesn't need fifteen rounds to hunt or defend one's home,

You don't have any authority to ban or limit any gun. Unconstitutional.

but they come in real handy if you want to shoot up a school, shopping mall, or concert.

They come in handy if you want to stop people from shooting up a school, shopping mall, or concert, or stop multiple thugs from trying to kill you.

Insisting that one is entitled to own such a weapon is really digging in as a libertarian,

Nope. More than libertarians honor the Constitution, even if YOU don't.

but at the same time, not making oneself part of the discussion
about reasonable legislation. That makes unreasonable legislation more likely.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any weapon, including any gun.

[Into the Night]

The 30-60 rounds per minute is what disturbs me.

Too bad. You don't get to dictate choice of weapons. Hoplophobia.