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    Default Liberals, Conservatives…willing to compromise?

    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a liberal would be willing to let conservatives have in order to get something that liberals want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a conservative would be willing to let liberals have in order to get something that conservatives want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    I won’t ask this question of libertarians and they need not answer since libertarians comprise such a small portion of the American population and they are generally too belligerent for others to want to associate with them so compromise on their part is pretty much impossible.

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    I'll give conservatives all the guns laws they want for free government provided health care. Anyone?

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    As I suspected. All of you are too belligerent, too ignorant of the real world and/or too partisan to compromise. This means that none of you have any business participating in politics in a republican system because you will never advance your goals one iota, and thus my time amongst you has been utterly wasted.

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    :*( I wasn't trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaja View Post
    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a liberal would be willing to let conservatives have in order to get something that liberals want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a conservative would be willing to let liberals have in order to get something that conservatives want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    I won’t ask this question of libertarians and they need not answer since libertarians comprise such a small portion of the American population and they are generally too belligerent for others to want to associate with them so compromise on their part is pretty much impossible.
    so, basically what you're asking, is you dont' want to hear what red blooded americans would do, only what appeasers and apologists would do?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Yeah only wussies compromise! :flex:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    I'll give conservatives all the guns laws they want for free government provided health care. Anyone?
    not a very good bargain.....you are offering to let them keep something you can't take away in the first place....in exchange for giving you something that can't exist (free).....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaja View Post
    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a liberal would be willing to let conservatives have in order to get something that liberals want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    If you didn’t have a filibuster-proof and veto-proof majority in Congress, is there anything you as a conservative would be willing to let liberals have in order to get something that conservatives want? Are you willing to compromise in order to achieve any of your goals?

    I won’t ask this question of libertarians and they need not answer since libertarians comprise such a small portion of the American population and they are generally too belligerent for others to want to associate with them so compromise on their part is pretty much impossible.
    Well that's really the art of politics isn't it? You must be able to compromise in order to get anything accomplished. There's to many issues to name that I'm willing to comrpomise on as long as real and measurable positive results are achieved. In fact, there are very few principled stands on which I'd be unwilling to compromise to some degree or the other.

    You make an excellent point though. For example, everyone is for a rational fiscal policy that balances the budget and reduces or eliminates debt, that is until it's their pet program that's on the chopping block.

    In other words you can ask your question like this, what government programs/services are you (the individual) willing to sacrifice for fiscal responsibility? You'll find that many or most Americans will not be willing to make those sacrifices (compromises), they then turn around and blame the politicians who represent them instead of accepting a measure of the blame themselves.
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    I would accept higher taxes if I were confident they were being used for services for those in need, instead of to enrich corporate friends of the government, expand new programs we don't need, or continue wars we can't afford.

    They used to call taxing and spending "investing" for our future, but many of these investments have questionable returns.

    Of course, my real thought on this comprise is that if we really reassessed what the government should be doing, we could have a lot more money left over for Americans in need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaja View Post
    I won’t ask this question of libertarians and they need not answer since libertarians comprise such a small portion of the American population and they are generally too belligerent for others to want to associate with them so compromise on their part is pretty much impossible.
    Do you have some kind of libertarian-related trauma in your past? Few of the libertarians on this board are belligerent about much of anything. If you take offense because they disagree with your economic leftism and your social conservatism, you're taking the matter too personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    not a very good bargain.....you are offering to let them keep something you can't take away in the first place....in exchange for giving you something that can't exist (free).....
    Ok, what do you want for UHC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Ok, what do you want for UHC?
    the original House version?.....more than the bluedogs got....how about removing all the artificial blocks preventing domestic energy production, including wind energy within sight of the Kennedy compound, nuclear plants, domestic oil wells, etc......hopefully we can at least generate some revenue there to offset the costs you intend to lay on us.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    the original House version?.....more than the bluedogs got....how about removing all the artificial blocks preventing domestic energy production, including wind energy within sight of the Kennedy compound, nuclear plants, domestic oil wells, etc......hopefully we can at least generate some revenue there to offset the costs you intend to lay on us.....
    How about a windfall profits tax on telecommunications companies that have been raping the public?

    OK, I'm being a bit facetious there but that does bring up an interesting topic for discussion. What private/public partnerships can be organized to generate revenue for UHC? It's going to be some sort of private/public partnership that helps to solve this issue as most Americans are willing to admit that our current system is broken but that they find a purely socialist approach unpalatable and probably to expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Weinberg View Post
    Do you have some kind of libertarian-related trauma in your past? Few of the libertarians on this board are belligerent about much of anything. If you take offense because they disagree with your economic leftism and your social conservatism, you're taking the matter too personally.
    Flaja is half right, they are to small a group to be politically relevant, if he/she had said that and that they have an unworkable governing philosophy, Flaja would have been spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    the original House version?.....more than the bluedogs got....how about removing all the artificial blocks preventing domestic energy production, including wind energy within sight of the Kennedy compound, nuclear plants, domestic oil wells, etc......hopefully we can at least generate some revenue there to offset the costs you intend to lay on us.....
    Ok, how about I give you nuclear plants, offshore wind farms, but no new offshore or ANWR oil?

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