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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    The only ones being represented are the oligarchs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    True. Why do you think that is?
    Oh, pick me! Pick me!

    We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

    Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

    The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Oh, pick me! Pick me!

    We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

    Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

    The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.
    Yep, pretty much. IOW, the problem isn't the oligarchs, it is us.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Yep, pretty much. IOW, the problem isn't the oligarchs, it is us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Oh, pick me! Pick me!

    We the People allow the oligarchs to do our thinking for us ... because we're to lazy to do it for ourselves. The Oligarchs discovered long ago that We the People will give away our money, our personal data and our political voice for meaningless free shit that is oh, so very convenient right now in the moment. Oligarchs discovered long ago that it's not the voters casting ballots who decide elections, but those who "count" the votes, specifically after the polls close and the regular poll station workers have left, who ultimately decide the elections. Oligarchs discovered that We the People simply believe everything we read, no matter how stupid, if it is called a "study." Oligarchs discovered that having only one political party, i.e. theirs, makes controlling We the People a trivial matter, especially if that party seems on the surface to be two separate, diametrically opposed parties. Oligarchs go ever unchallenged because We the People consider it legitimate for the Supreme Court to simply refuse to do their jobs and to simply decide to "refuse to hear" cases that are their responsibility to try.

    Oligarchs discovered that We the People are fucking spineless, clueless and oblivious.

    The above is the condensed version. The full version is too lengthy for a post.
    No hierarchy is an important part of Anarchism. Brits, Canadians and Aussies are subservient to the monarchy. We used to be able to walk right up to the white house with a grievance.

    I lived in parts of the country without a police force or mayor. That's real freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    No hierarchy is an important part of Anarchism. Brits, Canadians and Aussies are subservient to the monarchy. We used to be able to walk right up to the white house with a grievance.

    I lived in parts of the country without a police force or mayor. That's real freedom.
    So we finally arrive at the grand contradiction of your position.

    1. Freedom necessarily requires a completely free market, where the supply-demand curve freely arrives at price realization.

    2. Tyranny seeks to control/enslave the people through rigid lockdown control of the market, seeking to artificially determine price realization, and impose price prohibition.

    You claim to want freedom, yet you advocate for #2 while demonizing #1.

    Ergo you claim to want freedom but you ardently advocate for tyranny. You were gullible at some point due to your severe ignorance of economics, and someone you decided to trust took advantage of your gullibility and got you advocating for tyranny in the name of freedom.

    So, the correct response to you is for you to become educated in economics, not remain totally ignorant and gullible, and to align your advocacy to freedom and away from tyranny

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    So we finally arrive at the grand contradiction of your position.

    1. Freedom necessarily requires a completely free market, where the supply-demand curve freely arrives at price realization.

    2. Tyranny seeks to control/enslave the people through rigid lockdown control of the market, seeking to artificially determine price realization, and impose price prohibition.

    You claim to want freedom, yet you advocate for #2 while demonizing #1.

    Ergo you claim to want freedom but you ardently advocate for tyranny. You were gullible at some point due to your severe ignorance of economics, and someone you decided to trust took advantage of your gullibility and got you advocating for tyranny in the name of freedom.

    So, the correct response to you is for you to become educated in economics, not remain totally ignorant and gullible, and to align your advocacy to freedom and away from tyranny
    How is no police or mayor tyranny? All you do is talk out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    How is no police or mayor tyranny? All you do is talk out of your ass.
    How does Marxism promote a free market? (answer: it doesn't, it seeks to crush all free markets, referring to free trade as "unconscionable" and "exloitation" whereas tyranny is referred to as "numberless and indefeasible chartered freedoms"). You fell for it and you have no one else to blame but yourself.

    Without free markets, there is no freedom, there is only tyranny.

    You advocate to crush all free markets and thus, all freedom. All your talk about freedom being important is coming out of your ass. All of your advocacy is for tyranny.

    Learn economics. Your laziness does not excuse your advocacy for tyranny. Your accomanying calls for freedom make you look stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    How does Marxism promote a free market? (answer: it doesn't, it seeks to crush all free markets, referring to free trade as "unconscionable" and "exloitation" whereas tyranny is referred to as "numberless and indefeasible chartered freedoms"). You fell for it and you have no one else to blame but yourself.

    Without free markets, there is no freedom, there is only tyranny.

    You advocate to crush all free markets and thus, all freedom. All your talk about freedom being important is coming out of your ass. All of your advocacy is for tyranny.

    Learn economics. Your laziness does not excuse your advocacy for tyranny. Your accomanying calls for freedom make you look stupid.
    Read the summary of Capital volume 1 section 1. Even that will be too difficult for you to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Read the summary of Capital volume 1 section 1. Even that will be too difficult for you to understand.
    I've already read it. What's your supposed point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    I've already read it. What's your supposed point?
    What is your quick overview of Capital volume 1 section 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    What is your quick overview of Capital volume 1 section 1?
    Are you asking me to teach you? It's OK if you are, but you're asking a lot by saying "What is your quick overview?" ... considering your understanding of economics is virtually nonexistent. You should take a few minutes and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve. Then watch this video:



    The answer to your question is that Das Kapital Volume 1 Section 1 is Karl Marx's feeble struggle to understand the material in the video above, except that Marx was more lost than you are. He flailed in trying to understand "value", and sometimes confused it for "price." In any event, that chapter/volume is a blunder. Learn the supply-demand curve and you will have a much better and more accurate understanding that what you will get from Das Kapital.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Are you asking me to teach you? It's OK if you are, but you're asking a lot by saying "What is your quick overview?" ... considering your understanding of economics is virtually nonexistent. You should take a few minutes and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve. Then watch this video:

    The answer to your question is that Das Kapital Volume 1 Section 1 is Karl Marx's feeble struggle to understand the material in the video above, except that Marx was more lost than you are. He flailed in trying to understand "value", and sometimes confused it for "price." In any event, that chapter/volume is a blunder. Learn the supply-demand curve and you will have a much better and more accurate understanding that what you will get from Das Kapital.
    Edward Bernays created demand and Steve Jobs perfected it. Tech is laying off because demand is down. Even Henery Ford knew he had to pay his workers enough to be able to afford a car. Marx taught us that humans are not commodities. We need to be part of the process and paid for our value.

    Workers had a saying in the Soviet bloc: as long as they keep pretending to pay us, we'll keep pretending to work. That's where the US gig economy is at today. How long has QE been going on now? yet the banksters bankrupted 'capitalism' again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Marx taught us that humans are not commodities. We need to be part of the process and paid for our value.
    Marx taught that labor is not a commodity. Marx was incorrect. End of story.

    You assert that all employees need to be part of "the process" ... whatever that is. If you ever define this "the process" you will be incorrect.
    You assert that employees need to be paid some artificially established wage that is something other than to what the two parties agree. You are incorrect.

    Do you have any other questions? I see from your statements above that you aren't going to rush right out and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve as I had recommended, so you won't be surprised when people roll their eyes at the stupid things you write.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Marx taught that labor is not a commodity. Marx was incorrect. End of story.

    You assert that all employees need to be part of "the process" ... whatever that is. If you ever define this "the process" you will be incorrect.
    You assert that employees need to be paid some artificially established wage that is something other than to what the two parties agree. You are incorrect.

    Do you have any other questions? I see from your statements above that you aren't going to rush right out and make yourself an expert on the supply-demand curve as I had recommended, so you won't be surprised when people roll their eyes at the stupid things you write.
    What we know for fact is capitalism is bankrupt again and need another bailout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    What we know for fact is capitalism is bankrupt again and need another bailout.
    What we know is:
    * you don't know what a fact is
    * you don't know what capitalism is
    * you have no idea what you are talking about
    * you mistakenly think economics is something that can go bankrupt
    * you have no intention of elevating your level of discourse above the level of gibberish
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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