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    If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy? If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?

    If God cannot make everyone happy, God is not all powerful.
    If God can make everyone happy and does not, God is cruel and petty.

    Solution, God is not all powerful and cannot make everyone happy.

    Even God has limits to power.

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    Take the libertarian idea of unlimited freedom. Comes from the same faulty myth of unlimited power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy? If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?

    If God cannot make everyone happy, God is not all powerful.
    If God can make everyone happy and does not, God is cruel and petty.

    Solution, God is not all powerful and cannot make everyone happy.

    Even God has limits to power.
    "This is the best of all possible worlds". -Leibniz

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovoJank View Post
    "This is the best of all possible worlds". -Leibniz
    Good quote, thank you. What Leibniz meant is that this is the best God could do.

    The possible worlds pre-exist God's choice. Thus, the universe is limited, as is God's power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Good quote, thank you. What Leibniz meant is that this is the best God could do.

    The possible worlds pre-exist God's choice. Thus, the universe is limited, as is God's power.
    As I understood it meant that God did as good as it could possibly be done while preserving His plans for his creation. This is the best possible configuration of events that can be conceived. As such God performed exactly correctly.

    (NOte: I'm not a big believer in any of this, it's just how I understood the "Problem of Evil" to be addressed most efficiently)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovoJank View Post
    As I understood it meant that God did as good as it could possibly be done while preserving His plans for his creation. This is the best possible configuration of events that can be conceived. As such God performed exactly correctly.

    (NOte: I'm not a big believer in any of this, it's just how I understood the "Problem of Evil" to be addressed most efficiently)
    Leibniz says the possibilities exist before God's will. Thus, God is choosing, not creating out of nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy?
    How would you know what happiness is without sadness?

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    If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?
    How would you know what utopia is without imperfections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    How would you know what happiness is without sadness?
    If people are happy they are not missing out on anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post

    How would you know what utopia is without imperfections?
    Why would a utopian world think about imperfections?

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    Well if you are a Diest, God created the world and stepped back, if a Christian, he gave man free will to create his own world, which resulted in the mess we have before us now

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Well if you are a Diest, God created the world and stepped back, if a Christian, he gave man free will to create his own world, which resulted in the mess we have before us now
    Both are wrong. Bad philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Both are wrong. Bad philosophy.
    Not philosophy, theology, huge difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not philosophy, theology, huge difference
    No, same thing. Philosophy tackles any topic it wants. Especially metaphysics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy? If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?

    If God cannot make everyone happy, God is not all powerful.
    If God can make everyone happy and does not, God is cruel and petty.

    Solution, God is not all powerful and cannot make everyone happy.

    Even God has limits to power.
    What makes this limited power entity a god, then?

    Wouldn't it be less of a stretch to assume that deities don't exist than to define them with contrived and confusing attributes?

    We simply have no hard evidence that a god exists, and if one did, it would more than likely make itself VERY known on a basis more regular than 2000+ year intervals.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    If God is all powerful, why can God not make everyone happy? If God created the entire universe, why not create a utopia?

    If God cannot make everyone happy, God is not all powerful.
    If God can make everyone happy and does not, God is cruel and petty.

    Solution, God is not all powerful and cannot make everyone happy.

    Even God has limits to power.
    false assumption based upon bias and ignorance.
    "Much of modern military tactics is geared toward maneuvering the enemy into a position where they can essentially be massacred from safety. It sounds dishonorable only if you imagine that modern war is about honor; it's not. It's about winning, which means killing the enemy on the most unequal terms possible. Anything less results in the loss of more of your own men." -- War by Sebastian Junger, 2010, quoted in a review by Bob Minzesheimer, USA Today, 11 May 2010

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